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  1. Who gives a sh it  about Brexit!!!!

    The moon cricket in the black house needs to be put in prison for not defending the American people.

    The elites are going down !!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    One way or the other mthr fkr.

  2. I am absolutely disgusted at what has happened to this great nation in just over 8 yrs.

    When do we march on Washington ?

    Everything else is worthless when the price of freedom is on the line.

    But nobody seems to get it or just don’t give a hoot.

     

    SAD

    • History is made by dedicated minorities. Most of the revolutionary war people wanted to remain a British colony. The founding fathers consisted of maybe 1% or less of the total population and the “silent majority” followed their lead. We have IMO 2 1/2% or more of the population and growing due to SD and other patriotic sites. We will lead the 21st century rebirth of our freedom and the “silent majority” will follow our lead. The mass misinformation media will not be able to have the influence they once had because they have lost their credibility. The revolution will be fought via the internet. Don’t give up, my friend. The cartel scum are sitting on the panic button. Don’t let them psychologically defeat you.

    • @KMA

      I once thought the same way. I once thought we need to take up arms and retake our country. I have a much clearer understanding now. The only way to win this war is in the Spiritual Realm, Thats where the REAL BATTLE is being fought. We are up against demonic power. You cant over take it in the physical world. You must have the Holy Spirit to even enter the Battle. Acts 2:38

  3. We have a monkey destroying our nation and the people sit and watch in amazement .

    Disgusting…… Where are the veterans who signed an oath to protect our country ???????????????? LOSERS! EVERY LAST ONE OF YAH FOR LETTING OUR COUNTRY BE DESTROYED FROM WITHIN.

    • @KMA  they are ALL bought and paid for drones.

      Some are sniffing Yellen’s panties, thinking it’ll replace Viagra.

      The rest are building ladders to start  DC bunghole jumping.

    • Monkey is as monkey says, you ding dong.

      its not monkeys you’ve got to worry about you DipShit, but the well educated white psychopathic Banker Cabal who have been raping your country without a thought for the consequences to the likes of you for the last 3 decades.

      Its immaterial which party you vote in or out, cos they’re all being paid by the same paymasters.

    • Eek @AGXIIK

       

      “Some are sniffing Yellen’s panties, thinking it’ll replace Viagra.”

       

      Holy cow, man!  That seems closer to embalming fluid than Viagra!  😉

      Not only causes MASSIVE limpness but is 100% guaranteed to do so!

       

       

       

  4. Where is the NRA?  What is my membership fee paying for ?????????????

    Where are the Christian pastors demonstrating against such a demigod Gov.

    Where are my fellow Americans standing up to such an upside down agenda against my values????

    Gone?

    Maybe?

    Time will soon see.

    I will b

    • You are 100% correct in everything you have said- Problem is — You and I are the extreme minority in our thinking- that is how FK’D up this country is- It has been toppled- we are just waiting to see who will conquer us now.

    • Christians are warned to read the OT for warnings and examples.  The whole OT is Israel/Judah falling away/rebelling and God chastening them cumulating in God manifesting himself in the flesh (whom they killed).  It is the same today with spiritual Israel.  Most pastors have been falsely trained by the scribes of our time (Jesuits, liberals, theologians) instead of the preserved Scriptures and even the most conservative do not take the time to rightly divide the Word of truth. There is a famine in the land-not of meat, but the Word of God.

      Thankfully, God is sovereign and he chastens those in rebellion.  The problem is not the government, it is professing Christians rebellion. (I include myself in this group).  The only hope is the repentance of the church, not overthrowing a government that God placed there for our chastening.  The government is but a saw in God’s hand.

       

  5. Trying to get relatives to wake up is most frustrating.  I have managed to get my sister to do some minimal prepping and maintain a cash stash – but that is it.  The trick was to point out that it need not cost too much as purchases fall into three categories:

    1)  Things that have an infinite shelf life and you are going to use anyway. e.g. toilet rolls, gas.

    2) Things that you can resell you the aliens come down from the sky and show inhumanity how to run a financial system, e.g. Generator (mine is still in the crate).

    3) Things that you can partly use and partly donate to food banks should they prove not needed as a charitable gesture.

    When you look at things that way the cost of prepping halves at least, and you can regard it as an insurance policy.  OK I think most people are going to have to make a claim but if you are uncertain then taking this perspective helps relatives become more decisive.  For her this worked and the right circuits are running and have been tested.  If she gets a whiff of trouble she knows what to do at short notice (if there is any notice of course).

    My son finally got something right and decided to buy some metal a few hours before the Brexit count.  I think he is sitting on a 17% gain right now.

     

    • @Silverine

       

      “Trying to get relatives to wake up is most frustrating.”

      Yes, it is.  It’s a virtually impossible and thankless task, in fact.

       

      “e.g. Generator (mine is still in the crate).”

      Well, open that crate, gas and oil it up, and run it for a while.  After the SHTF is a lousy time to discover that it won’t start or work.  Yes,  it is new and it SHOULD work… but DOES it?  Only way to know is to run it for a while.  Just siphon out the gas in the tank before you put it back into storage because gasoline does not last forever.  It polymerizes into fuel system clogging junk that will prevent your generator from starting and running.  Additives, such as “STA-BIL” will slow this process for quite a while but even it doesn’t work forever.

      It also would be good to know exactly how to connect this generator to the things that you want to power when the electricity fails.  These can be connected to ones home electrical panel if one knows exactly how to do it or it can simply have a few electrical devices plugged into it.  These are mostly good to run lights, tools, and a small refrigerator but not so good for anything that makes a lot of heat from electricity.

       

      “I think he is sitting on a 17% gain right now.”

      OK, that’s good and rather impressive.  But it is true that many people react much more strongly to investment losses than they do to investment gains.  I have seen people become near-hysterical over a 5% loss, a MUCH stronger reaction than they have to a 15% gain.  No, I have no idea why.  Perhaps it’s just the nature of the critter?

       

    • @Ed_B

      I guess I knew somebody would suggest I try out the generator.  That has to be the thing to do as I might find out I have not got any oil for it, I haven’t!  So I will do that in due course, better get some oil first though.  I have worked out how to power a mains ring though… but I need a plug to plug lead of some sort.  These things need to be tried out.  I also need more fuel.  If I am to make a mistake I need to make it before it becomes important, then in theory it could go back in the crate but right now I am not sure there will be time.

      I have been hammering a way at my sister for a couple of years now on the metals front but her son reads the MSM and told her gold was in a bubble. What worked on the prepping front was my links on the likes of Shinzo Abe and Alan Greenspan saying the financial system and economies are toast.  “This is the establishment speaking so it might be worth getting some extra food in…” she thought and so she has.

      She lives in a small hamlet in a country area where they have access to cheap meat and clean free flowing water.  I used to live not too far away and the water workers there didn’t usually bother to flourinate or chlorinate the pure lake water.  I brewed beer using tap water.  They should be OK if things do not go Mad Max in which case they are vunerable to mobs escaping from the cities.

      This morning gold is rising again in GBP largely due to the pound falling.  Gold is £990+ and could very easily burst through the psychologically significant £1000/oz mark this week depending upon what is really going on behind the curtain.  I believe the gold price has an inverse correlation with the lifespan of the current financial system so big rises in price signals that it is time to urgently complete your preps.  I may even take out my first ever bank loan!

    • @Silverine

       

      “I guess I knew somebody would suggest I try out the generator.  That has to be the thing to do as I might find out I have not got any oil for it, I haven’t!  So I will do that in due course…”

      Yes. there’s one of us is every crowd.  😉

      But better to bring it up and be redundant than to skip it and have BIG problems later.

       

      “… better get some oil first though.”

      Indeed so and the kind that the gen maker suggests at that.  Oil is the life-blood of any IC engine because it has 3 very important tasks to perform:  lubrication, cooling, and removal of the combustion wastes that build up after running for a while.  The lack of any one of these three can ruin a good engine.

       

      “I have worked out how to power a mains ring though… but I need a plug to plug lead of some sort.  These things need to be tried out.”

      Yes, they do and you have to do it exactly as your electrical system requires or there are likely to be equipment and safety issues, neither of which is good.  If you are connecting the generator to your house circuit breaker box, that needs to be done precisely and your home needs to be isolated from the local power distribution system while you are using the generator.  If you have any doubts about how this must be done to be safe, please get advise from a local electrician.

       

      “I also need more fuel.”

      Fuel is good.  🙂   Generators are thirsty little buggers, so will consume a lot of fuel.  It is better to have too much than too little, although bulk fuel storage has its own problems.

       

      “If I am to make a mistake I need to make it before it becomes important, then in theory it could go back in the crate but right now I am not sure there will be time.”

      That would be wise, IMO.  Mistakes that are annoying in the best of times can be dangerous during the worst of times.

       

      The good news is that you are preparing for an emergency and are gathering the supplies and equipment that will be of great help to you in a time of need.  Doing this well before disaster strikes gives you time to use this equipment and get familiar with it before it is needed.  Info like that is often invaluable.

       

    • @Ed_B

      Fuel storage is indeed an issue for me as my house is small and legally we are restricted to just 20 litres in the UK so generator use will be limited at best.  Worse I have a tumble drier in the garage of a type that eighteen months ago was discovered to burst into flame and burn houses down.  The manufacturers are still getting around to fixing it.  When done I may be able to stretch the rules a little.  I have covered the generator issues you mentioned in theory but you are right that I better start putting all this into practice.

      As the UK is small and densley populated I already know we have no chance in a Mad Max scenario so there is little point in preparing for one of any significant duration.  I cannot bug out as there is nowhere to bug out to and beside my wife is bed bound and doubly incontinent.  The generator is to run the new small chest freezer and washing machine mainly and will cover the latter’s inductive load.  I can use the car to store fuel.

      Foodwise I keep stacking rice beans and chopped tomatoes, another 25lbs of rice yesterday.  I have enough food for six months at least.

      Weaponry is difficult however as it is difficult for everybody here so the possesion of anything projectile is a useful dissuader for would be home invaders.  I only reckon there is a 20% chance they will be used in a dissuasive role and less that triggers will be pulled.  Even so I have a couple of air rifles and three crossbows with more bolts than I can fire so far and intend more of both.  I have defence plans for my small neighbourhood!  Not of course that the neighbours know.

    • @Silverine

       
      “Fuel storage is indeed an issue for me as my house is small and legally we are restricted to just 20 litres in the UK so generator use will be limited at best.”
      Yes, it is a serious issue, even here in the US.  A large shed or small barn would work well to store fuel in drums here.  This is allowed in most places, especially in farming areas.

      “Worse I have a tumble drier in the garage of a type that eighteen months ago was discovered to burst into flame and burn houses down.  The manufacturers are still getting around to fixing it.  When done I may be able to stretch the rules a little.”
      That sounds like a serious problem.  Hope that gets resolved soon and to your satisfaction.
      Yes, the rules will be stretched by many once the balloon goes up, as they say.  Those who make and enforce rules will have their hands filled with very serious problems and no time or people to worry about the smaller issues.

      “I have covered the generator issues you mentioned in theory but you are right that I better start putting all this into practice.”
      There is an old saying in chemistry and it goes like this: “In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.  In practice, however, there is!”.  😉

      “As the UK is small and densley populated I already know we have no chance in a Mad Max scenario so there is little point in preparing for one of any significant duration.”
      Having traveled to the UK in 2001 for a tour, I know what you mean about population density.  Agree that there are very few options available to you, so your mission will be to maximize whatever you can do to give yourself and your loved ones as many options as possible.  Extra food and water plus seeds could be vital in an uncertain future.  It is surprising just how much food can be raised in even a small plot.  My garden is only 16 feet wide and 24 feet long, yet it produces quite a bit of food.  We usually grow potatoes, acorn squash, beets, corn, cukes, tomatoes, peppers, and green beans.  Due to other activities, I have cut back the garden this year and only have potatoes, squash, tomatoes, and peppers.  The tomatoes and peppers are being grown in large flower pots and are doing quite well there.  We also have a couple of egg plants that we grow for our daughter and grand daughter.  They have some good recipes for egg plant and love them.

      “I cannot bug out as there is nowhere to bug out to…”
      Understood.  I have often thought that bugging out is only useful as a last resort or when some force of nature, such as a large flood, lava flow, or tornado is headed our way.  Other than this, why bug out and leave most of the much-needed preps that have been set aside?

      “… and beside my wife is bed bound and doubly incontinent.”
      Sorry to hear that.  We have had a number of family health problems to get through as well, so know how difficult such things can be.  Blessings to you and your wife for your struggle.

      “The generator is to run the new small chest freezer and washing machine mainly and will cover the latter’s inductive load.  I can use the car to store fuel.”
      Yes, a car’s fuel tank is a very good storage place.  It may be that when times get bad you will be able to salvage fuel from abandoned cars to fuel your generator.  If so, having some good techniques to drain this fuel into cooking pots, baking pans, or metal buckets  will be good.
      I want to put together a small solar power system that can power a few hand tools, some lights, and a small bar-sized refrigerator.  This will have a couple of deep cycle batteries, the solar cells, a charging regulator, and an inverter.  There are many plans available on You Tube as well as demonstration videos.  This also will be good for recharging batteries for radios, laptop computers, flashlights, etc. I am hoping to be able to set this up for $1500 or less but much will depend on what is available at the time I put this together.  No fuel needed and it is QUIET, so shouldn’t attract any unwanted attention.  It won’t be able to do anything that requires heavy electrical load but should still be useful nonetheless.

      “Foodwise I keep stacking rice beans and chopped tomatoes, another 25lbs of rice yesterday.  I have enough food for six months at least.”
      Well done with that.  Rice, beans, and tomato sauce / diced tomatoes are also staple items for us but we have quite a bit of variety in other canned veggies and some freeze dried foods.  I need to add more to the FD food area.
      We have a good food storage area in our basement with 6 of those steel storage racks with 5 heavy wire mesh shelves each.  This holds quite a lot of food but I need to work out a daily ration per person so I can calculate how long it will last.  I am guessing that we have about 3-4 months worth but that could be overly optimistic.
      The LDS church has some good info on their web site about food storage and they also sell packaged food for long-term storage at reasonable prices.  Will check further into that as well.

      “Weaponry is difficult however as it is difficult for everybody here so the possesion of anything projectile is a useful dissuader for would be home invaders.  I only reckon there is a 20% chance they will be used in a dissuasive role and less that triggers will be pulled.  Even so I have a couple of air rifles and three crossbows with more bolts than I can fire so far and intend more of both.  I have defence plans for my small neighbourhood!  Not of course that the neighbours know.
      In your situation, that sounds good to me.  Slings are also good weapons at close to medium range if you have the right projectiles.  Large ball bearings that are 1/2″ in or so in diameter work well at dissuading those with evil intent.  Surgical tubing works well at propelling such projectiles.  I have a slingshot called a “Wrist Rocket” that will launch a .36 caliber lead ball at up to about 300 fps, so is a decent weapon as well as a good small game hunting tool.  These require a lot of practice before one achieves good accuracy with them, however.  No, the neighbors do not need to know about this until it is needed.  By then, they will be glad that this is available in their neighborhood.

    • @Ed_B

      My prepping strategy is not only limited by my wife’s circumstances but has an underlying philosophy based on the unique circumstances of britain and British culture.

      I am quite horrified when I see what is going on in the US and the fact that most Americans still are not seeing it.  Yes they are waking up but it is mostly a gut feel.  They are lashing out rather than working things out, hence Trump.

      We certainly have some of this here with the MSM and more especially the BBC being engaged in globalist propaganda.  Indeed the BBC propaganda machine has been switched on full blast and we get lots of stories about racial attacks on immigrants.  My sister says that where she lives if “they” find out you voted “leave” you get shouted at and called a racist.  The BBC are plugging lines like: The referendum is not binding, we can have another referendum to change the result of the first and how so many leave voters have changed their minds and regret what they have done.   However this, and the fact that the TTIP “negotiations” are on hold does show that the globalists were wrong footed here.  They really did not expect to lose and took a serious beating, one which they may well not recover from.  They can be beaten.

      Anyway, back to the philosophy.  While I can see regions of the US going Mad Max for a time the UK has a couple of advantages: 1) The old Blitz spirit. 2) North Sea gas.

      1)  The UK does have a healthy kind of collectivsim.  Like many island nations we believe we are superior to other nations and other cultures but take it so seriously we expect ourselves to live up to own hype and endeavor to do so.  We also collectively deal with external threats like Hitler for example to the extent that at the outbreak of WW2 the entire nation was on a unified collective war footing within days, something that germany didn’t manage for a couple of years.  In order to defeat an economic collapse people will work together to maintain all the basic systems like utilities, the health and social care services and education.  People will go into work for free and help each other out until the government gets itself together and sort things out as best it can.  This collectivism is so extensive it is picked up even by second generation immigrant families.  People will work together and help each other out and before too long they will all be complaining about this that and the other but secretly enjoying it.  By nature the British are very insular but under duress gell like …. gello.  It will probably be remembered as a great time in a hundred years from now.  I even forsee street parties by the second month…  Of course at first there will be riots in some parts of the cities.  The army will be welcomed onto the streets and they will shoot and kill the ringleaders.  The big problem at first will be the food supplies.  I am not stacking just for my family at all but intend to help out with what limited food is available to others.  The only real option we have in this country is this benign kind of collectism otherwise we are all dead.  I am planning for “otherwise” in a small way hence the limited armoury.

      If I were an American wanting to bug out for the crash I would seriously consider spending a few months over here.  Americans have this spirit of self reliance which has its own dark side.  I am sure small town Americans exhibited some of this collectivism during WW2, but in the cities now?  I dread to think.

      2) If modern networked and interdependent systems go down the dislocation can be so severe that they may never be gotten operational again if down for more that a couple of weeks.  Imagine grid down for two weeks in the US, then three what happens?  Of the many different systems in the UK one network hub which will very likely keep going is North Sea Gas.  Gas comes out of the North Sea under pressure and is distributed to businesses and homes across the country.  I think 80% of all homes are on the gas network.  there isn’t much that can go wrong with it and half the power stations run on natural gas.  I do not see this failing at all.   OK the grid may be down half the time in anyone’s particular area.  Our grid is robust and well planned (apart from the globalist greenies closing down two many coal powered stations too soon so we are low on back-up capacity) and we had the “three day week” in the seventies where different regions had their electricity cycled on and off maybe four times a day.  I remember it well.  It was boring when the power was off but you could pretty much guarantee being able to run the washing machine and the cooker twice a day even if you didn’t know quite when.  It messed around with meal times but that was an inconvenience not a matter of life or death.

      OK, I may be suffering from some kind of normalcy bias but I do not see a major prolonged soci-economic collapse in the UK but only because we have a couple of small advantages – plus it rains good clean water most weeks.

    • @Ed_B

      I must try out a slingshot.  You can get them here and 300fps is quite someting. One of the crossbows is one of those 80lbs self cocking types.  More of a dissuader than likely to kill.  You don’t want to kill, the risk is in not killing they might come back once better armed.  Still, one is rated for large game and I have some broadheads.  Illegal to use here but easy to buy.  The weaponry is based on an escalation philosophy which in fine until they have rifles.  Still, rifles are not so good in confined spaces whereas chemical and biological weapons(?) can be.

      Yes, the rules will be stretched by many once the balloon goes up, as they say.  Those who make and enforce rules will have their hands filled with very serious problems and no time or people to worry about the smaller issues.

      Hence the broadheads!!

      I got another 5lbs of rice, 15 lbs of dried pasta, canned tomatoes (on offer at 27cents a 15oz can), chick peas, black eye beans, canned fish, laundry liquid…. Over the months this does add up and the timing feels about right. Getting the timing right is important.  When the ATMs go down I can buy the gas and kerosine with cash.  Cash is for the last minute things and ongoing purchases during the collapse.  I have three farm shops within a mile of me.  That is so useful.

       

    • We have a good food storage area in our basement with 6 of those steel storage racks with 5 heavy wire mesh shelves each.  This holds quite a lot of food but I need to work out a daily ration per person so I can calculate how long it will last.

      That seems pretty good, especially  having a basement which helps keep things cool.  I am not so lucky but have two lofts.  They tend to get a little warm during the day in summer but the shear mass of stores helps buffer the temperature and I have forced air ventilation ducts running through the main store which can keep the temperature more equitable on hot days.

    • @Silverine

       

      “My prepping strategy is not only limited by my wife’s circumstances but has an underlying philosophy based on the unique circumstances of britain and British culture.”

      Hence the phrase, “to each their own”.  What works well may or may not work well or at all elsewhere, so it is incumbent upon each of us to recognize such things and take them into account when planning for an uncertain future.

       
      “I am quite horrified when I see what is going on in the US and the fact that most Americans still are not seeing it.  Yes they are waking up but it is mostly a gut feel.  They are lashing out rather than working things out, hence Trump.”

      If you want some real horror, consider 4-8 years of more of the same rule by Hellery and her sexual predator husband.
      As to “what is going on here”, it is a social and political war.  It is currently being fought with words and ballots.  When those fail, which they are likely to do, and it comes down to bullets instead of ignored or rigged ballots, we will see what happens then.

      “We certainly have some of this here with the MSM and more especially the BBC being engaged in globalist propaganda.  Indeed the BBC propaganda machine has been switched on full blast and we get lots of stories about racial attacks on immigrants.  My sister says that where she lives if “they” find out you voted “leave” you get shouted at and called a racist.  The BBC are plugging lines like: The referendum is not binding, we can have another referendum to change the result of the first and how so many leave voters have changed their minds and regret what they have done.   However this, and the fact that the TTIP “negotiations” are on hold does show that the globalists were wrong footed here.  They really did not expect to lose and took a serious beating, one which they may well not recover from.  They can be beaten.”

      Yes, they can and they MUST be beaten for the good of humanity.
      Name-calling is often the last vestige of the true scoundrel, IMO.  When their reasoning fails, out come the scurrilous names that supposedly end the argument.  This is no more argument ending than is slamming down the received on a telephone or pressings its OFF button.  But, somehow, they seem to think that it is.

      Anyway, back to the philosophy.  While I can see regions of the US going Mad Max for a time the UK has a couple of advantages: 1) The old Blitz spirit. 2) North Sea gas.
      1)  The UK does have a healthy kind of collectivsim.  Like many island nations we believe we are superior to other nations and other cultures but take it so seriously we expect ourselves to live up to own hype and endeavor to do so.  We also collectively deal with external threats like Hitler for example to the extent that at the outbreak of WW2 the entire nation was on a unified collective war footing within days, something that germany didn’t manage for a couple of years.  In order to defeat an economic collapse people will work together to maintain all the basic systems like utilities, the health and social care services and education.  People will go into work for free and help each other out until the government gets itself together and sort things out as best it can.  This collectivism is so extensive it is picked up even by second generation immigrant families.  People will work together and help each other out and before too long they will all be complaining about this that and the other but secretly enjoying it.  By nature the British are very insular but under duress gell like …. gello.  It will probably be remembered as a great time in a hundred years from now.  I even forsee street parties by the second month…  Of course at first there will be riots in some parts of the cities.  The army will be welcomed onto the streets and they will shoot and kill the ringleaders.  The big problem at first will be the food supplies.  I am not stacking just for my family at all but intend to help out with what limited food is available to others.  The only real option we have in this country is this benign kind of collectism otherwise we are all dead.  I am planning for “otherwise” in a small way hence the limited armoury.”
      It would be good to separate a spirit of national well-being and welfare from “collectivism”, IMO.  One being constructive and helpful while the other not.  Also, the spirit of those who fought in WW-II or who supported those who did is 70+ years in the past.  Whether or not that same spirit still lives may not be known until it is sorely tested.  I would hope that it is but one should recognize that hope is not a strategy.  At every stage of any plan, we should all look at it very honestly and say “What if this is no longer so?” and then formulate an alternative strategy given that change in assumptions.
      Governments have a VERY poor record throughout history as to having a high regard for public safety and security, and specifically when they feel threatened.  I would not count on them to just “shoot the ringleaders”, particularly if there is any return-fire.
      I am glad that you have some degree of optimism about all this.  That’s good but only as long as it is tempered with reason, which it seems to be.  But the rules of the game are very likely to change during some very hard times and perhaps multiple times.  We’ll see what happens when it happens.  I hope that you are right about that but also think that we should all have multiple response plans and options in case you are not.

      “If I were an American wanting to bug out for the crash I would seriously consider spending a few months over here.  Americans have this spirit of self reliance which has its own dark side.  I am sure small town Americans exhibited some of this collectivism during WW2, but in the cities now?  I dread to think.”

      Many over here dread to think as well because we are well aware of the fact that many US cities are heavily populated with those who will do very poorly when government largess ends, which it very likely will.  Many of these people are prone to violence when things do not go their way.  They will make many assumptions as to the cause of and cure for their problems.  Most of these will be incorrect which only exacerbates the entire problem.  One simply cannot “take care” of people all their lives and then suddenly stop because the largess is simply no longer possible.  This will not be understood and greater violence will result.  Because of this, those Americans who are Awake And Aware are either moving out of the cities and establishing themselves in much more rural areas or are setting up alternative places to live that are as far from the major cities as possible and that are much more easily sustained during hard times.  While there are areas of the US that are truly remote, even an area that is 25-30 miles out of the city will be far better off than those areas that are in the city proper or only a few miles from it.

      2) If modern networked and interdependent systems go down the dislocation can be so severe that they may never be gotten operational again if down for more that a couple of weeks.  Imagine grid down for two weeks in the US, then three what happens?  Of the many different systems in the UK one network hub which will very likely keep going is North Sea Gas.  Gas comes out of the North Sea under pressure and is distributed to businesses and homes across the country.  I think 80% of all homes are on the gas network.  there isn’t much that can go wrong with it and half the power stations run on natural gas.  I do not see this failing at all.   OK the grid may be down half the time in anyone’s particular area.  Our grid is robust and well planned (apart from the globalist greenies closing down two many coal powered stations too soon so we are low on back-up capacity) and we had the “three day week” in the seventies where different regions had their electricity cycled on and off maybe four times a day.  I remember it well.  It was boring when the power was off but you could pretty much guarantee being able to run the washing machine and the cooker twice a day even if you didn’t know quite when.  It messed around with meal times but that was an inconvenience not a matter of life or death.”

      Consider that the gas company is very dependent upon the electrical grid and that it cannot operate the computers and the pumps and the other equipment that they need to provide gas without this electricity.  Yes, they likely can generate electricity from nat gas but if not the delivery system still depends upon electrical power as well as abundant gas.  If power is lost and they cannot find a way to generate what they need on demand, then it becomes very difficult for them to continue to operate effectively.
      The US is the world leader in nat gas production.  We have more nat gas than Saudi Arabia has oil, so it is a VERY large resource here as well as in the UK.  But it must be transported via pipeline and rail to the areas where it is needed.  If those distribution systems cannot keep the gas flowing, then only areas close to the gas fields will be getting much of this fuel.
      As to life and death issues, you could well be right that this is not one of them.  But then, this IS just the tip of the iceberg, as they say.  What happens when the store shelves are empty and people cannot get food could be a MUCH bigger issue.

      “OK, I may be suffering from some kind of normalcy bias but I do not see a major prolonged soci-economic collapse in the UK but only because we have a couple of small advantages – plus it rains good clean water most weeks.”
      I cannot comment on that because I do not know the UK or its culture nearly as well as you do.  But it is not unusual for most of us to suffer some degree of normalcy bias in certain specific areas of thought and planning.  This is why it is helpful to band together in groups, such as this one, to discuss these issues and get additional input for consideration.
      As to rainwater… I live in the US Pacific NW, which has the very same class of climate as you in the UK have, which is to say Temperate Marine.  We too get LOTS of rain… over 100″ per year (over 2.5 meters for you metric folks) in several locations.  In my own area, we get about 1/2 of that, which is still a lot of rain.  This is a terrific resource but consider that it could become contaminated at some point.  How will you deal with that?  Having a really good water filter system and several replacement filters is one way to do that.  Because of this, we store about 75+ gallons of drinking and cooking water and have the ability to store another 200 gallons at need via two bathtub-mounted plastic bladders called a “Water Bob”.  This would give us nearly 300 gallons of potable water for an emergency.  After that, we will be capturing rain water and filtering it via one of those 0.2µ sintered ceramic filters for our use.  There are also underground springs on the hill where we live where neighborhood wells could be dug to supply our community with drinking water.  Filtering it would be good too but many locals here probably do not have a good water filter for that purpose.
      A much less savory topic is how to handle human wastes if the public sewer system becomes non-functional.  In many cases, people would have to dig pits in the ground to serve as “out houses” for this purpose and would have to be very careful in siting these so as to not foul the local groundwater and cause disease outbreaks.  This would likely be a huge problem in many highly populated areas and could become the centers of some very nasty epidemics, the likes of which our people have not seen in several generations.

    • @Silverine

       

      “I must try out a slingshot.  You can get them here and 300fps is quite someting.”

      Yes, indeed.  Leave no stone unturned in your search for something with which to defend yourself and your neighbors.  Much depends on the nature of the projectiles you use.  I have tried everything I could from BBs to ball berings to marbles, to lead balls designed for black powder firearms.  The .36 caliber lead ball is one of my favorites.  I also have some .25 caliber steel balls that work very well on small game.

       

      “One of the crossbows is one of those 80lbs self cocking types.  More of a dissuader than likely to kill.  You don’t want to kill, the risk is in not killing they might come back once better armed.  Still, one is rated for large game and I have some broadheads.  Illegal to use here but easy to buy.  The weaponry is based on an escalation philosophy which in fine until they have rifles.  Still, rifles are not so good in confined spaces whereas chemical and biological weapons(?) can be.”

      Few people will be using either chem or bio weapons, thankfully.  Modern short barreled rifles are very dangerous weapons and quite accurate out to 300 or so meters.  Handguns, which are virtually unknown in the UK, are also good short range defensive weapons.  I have a few of them but would count more on my AK and AR rifles as well as my 12-ga pump shotgun for home and neighborhood defense.  I understand that the UK is virtually a gun-free zone but somehow that did not prevent a “lunatic” from using one and a knife to murder a MP recently.

       
      “Hence the broadheads!!”
      Indeed.  This is further vindication of the idea that doing what works best where you are is a very wise course to follow.

      “I got another 5lbs of rice, 15 lbs of dried pasta, canned tomatoes (on offer at 27cents a 15oz can), chick peas, black eye beans, canned fish, laundry liquid…. Over the months this does add up and the timing feels about right. Getting the timing right is important.  When the ATMs go down I can buy the gas and kerosine with cash.  Cash is for the last minute things and ongoing purchases during the collapse.  I have three farm shops within a mile of me.  That is so useful.”

      Building up a good emergency food supply (quietly) is a very good idea.  It’s not as if we are not going to consume this food at some point because we certainly will.  At the very least, stocking up on food saves us money because every bit of food bought today is a bit less we need to buy later when prices will most certainly be higher.  If an emergency comes, we will be able to face it and handle it much better if we are not fighting hunger as well.
      I am a lot less concerned about “timing”.  I think that far too many people worry about this than should.  Timing boils down to thinking that we know what the future holds and when various problems will be delivered.  We simply cannot know that.  For me, it is enough to know that hard times are coming and that every day that they don’t arrive is another day that I have to prep and stack.  If we are doing all we can in these regards, what matters timing?  It is only when we are not doing all we can that timing seems to matter.  At least, that is how I see it.
      We have “farmers markets” in many places here in the US.  These are usually excellent and it is good to know where these are and take advantage of the fresh produce and other goods that they sell there.  We have 2 of these in our local area, that I know of, one of which is quite close.  Getting to know the people there and trading with them is an excellent prep, IMO.
      Cash is an excellent prep.  It will be good until it is not, so is worth having while it is still good.  Small denomination silver coins will also be good to have should paper money not be accepted by some, most, or all sellers of goods and services.  I like to keep a good supply of currency handy so that bills can be paid if the banks are closed and one cannot access their account via an ATM.  It is awful to see people lines up for blocks to access the ATMs in an emergency.  We’ve seen this in Greece, Cyprus, and even in some places in the heart of Europe.  We have not seen this in the US but some here do see this happening in time.

    • @Ed_B

      It would be good to separate a spirit of national well-being and welfare from “collectivism”.

      You are quite right here and this is very often a cause of misunderstanding between the British and the Americans.  There is useful collectivism of the kind I am hinting at and statism.  Two entirely different concepts.  Perhaps the best way to put it is the national spirit when called upon results in positive collective action.

      There has not been a significant change in this.  OK I know this is belief to some extent so I am prepping in part to be wrong.  I am also prepping in part for the neighbours which is of course part of it! I’m just way in advance of them.

      If you want some real horror, consider 4-8 years of more of the same rule by Hellery and her sexual predator husband.
      As to “what is going on here”, it is a social and political war.  It is currently being fought with words and ballots.  When those fail, which they are likely to do, and it comes down to bullets instead of ignored or rigged ballots, we will see what happens then.

      That is what I see too as I spend hours a day immersed in things American.  Indeed getting into the alternative media and metals has taught me about libertarianism and how to abandon statist concepts like the political “left” and “right”.  I am probably more libertarian (dare I say American) than most “Americans” these days.   Of course still British with much of the cultural overlay.  I have taken the time to work out how to convert our statist social structure to libertarian from its current largely crony capitalist and socialist condition.  It would be remarkably easy and strangely from a historical perspective, very British too. We were libertarian in the 18th/19th century to an extent and this drove the industrial revolution.

      As for Hellery I would certainly vote for Trump.  OK he is not my first choice but Hellery is satanic.

      OK my guess is our gas supplies are going to be fairly robust ansd there will be a strong political incentive to maintain that part of the system.  The incentive? The mob, piano wire and the lamposts lining Westminster Bridge!

    • The simple fact remains that until the massive paper derivatives which control the price of gold and silver are removed I don’t see how the price rapidly rises to $1,900.  I tend to agree that within a month or two we’ll be back at $1,275 gold.  The Brexit which started this mess last Thursday is the new Greece back in 2009 – 2011 where the markets rallied and dropped based on their weekly news to default or not default and to impose drastic capital cuts or not impose those cuts.  Major market moves happened based on who was elected and whether there was a riot that week or not.  It was just a soap opera and looks like the new Days Of Our Lives series has arrived.

  6.  

    The GLD and SLV COMEX Criminals will be working overtime to suppress prices.

    But if the Standing for Delivery continues exceed the Available as it now does, they can Naked Short all day and night long with lesser effect over time. If they, are NAKED, none to sell at the price they are offering, they become impedant.

    I supect that the COMEX will continue on its foolish mission even in the face of their obvious Market Impedance.

    Stupid Is as Stupid Does

    • “If they, are NAKED, none to sell at the price they are offering, they become impedant.”

      “Stupid Is as Stupid Does”

       

      Indeed so.  Any idea what “impedant” means?  I did not recognize this word, so tried to look it up on-line but got no dictionary definition matches.  :-/

  7. I likewise find it difficult to influence any family members to do even the minimal prepping.

    I compare it to America’s savings… as a nation we refuse to save anything for future events, essentially being wholely DEPENDENT on Government handouts in an emergency situation.

    We have become a nation of Fools who believe that the Government is going to Serve and Protect US. When in fact the Government is organized to Serve and Protect THEMSELVES only and We the People are simply grease in their steel wheels.

    I appeciate #KMA’s alarm at what he is seeing. But most Americans have become both Desperate and Numb to their circumstances. Only when the Fiat stops having any financial effect, then and only then will the masses become unstable, desperate and violent.

    • Only when the Fiat stops having any financial effect, then and only then will the masses become unstable, desperate and violent.”

      It’s probably even more basic than this.  As soon as their comfort level is reduced, that is when we will see a reaction from time… and it is likely to be rather nasty.

  8. I think we will get to a place where the “markets” and associated “Charts” and “Graphs” will show everything is AOK. While the REALITY of the economy and day to day activities are in complete shambles. The AI programs run by the FED and national central banks can show anything to be true(theoretically).

    Because we know the stock markets are run by an artificial intelligence algorithm and we know stock prices are “rigged’ or “set” by the algorithm. In other words, the algorithm decides the “limits” or “targets” based on automated buying and selling via the FED policy people(elites). Don’t you think they will do the same with the price of Silver and Gold?

    I am pretty sure there is no limit to the amount of manipulation this program can achieve. So where does the price of Gold and Silver go? I think it goes to where the elite person who is running the AI program allows it to go.

    I just do not get why people continue to use charts and graphs to demonstrate a future move in the prices of Gold/Silver/Stocks? I have come to accept that the markets are rigged and we no longer have true supply and demand markets. The proof is found in the price of silver and gold over the last 6 months. The fundamentals of demand should be driving silver in particular out of the roof. But here we are at 17.80$/oz. It is obvious to me the price is set by and external influence, that would be the AI algorithm. And we can thank Alan Greenspan and his buddies for this great contribution to mankind.

    Are my missing something?

  9. It looks like the Chinese are ahead of the curve.

    They were acquiring Au but now it seems like they somewhat have put the brakes on and are now going after Ag…at least that is what the current Shanghai arbitrage shows.

    • She is a real honey, that’s for sure.  I loved her acting in “Bedazzled”.  She was great in that movie.  If Satan really looked like her, he would get MANY more converts.  😉

       

  10. Always entertaining…That’s Jim Willie! I really don’t care if his predictions come true.He is just plain fun to listen to. I laugh with him, not at him. The reason I can laugh at his interviews is that I do my own reading and research. I don’t count on anyone else’s opinions or predictions, but I do take them into consideration while forming my own. I don’t subscribe to anyone’s newsletters, and neither should any of you. Do the research yourself. There is more than enough info to “sift through” that is available in books, the web, etc. How can you tell good info from bad? Easy. Just keep your emotions in check and your higher self will “filter out” all the BS. Peace

  11. @Silverine

     

    Starting over because this thread is getting LONG!  lol

     
    “You are quite right here and this is very often a cause of misunderstanding between the British and the Americans.  There is useful collectivism of the kind I am hinting at and statism.  Two entirely different concepts.  Perhaps the best way to put it is the national spirit when called upon results in positive collective action.”

    Agreed… “two peoples separated by a common language” and all that.  😉
    Just realize that we Americans simply cannot argue the finer points of the English language with you blokes. We may not speak the King’s English but we do speak a dialect of it.  😀

    There has not been a significant change in this.  OK I know this is belief to some extent so I am prepping in part to be wrong.  I am also prepping in part for the neighbours which is of course part of it! I’m just way in advance of them.

    The problem here is that while there are many good people in the world, which is a very good thing, it is possible for good people to look at the same thing and understand it differently.  Many here in the US do not accept a lot of the prepper mentality because they are reactive and not proactive.  AFTER a load of bricks falls on them, they are pretty good at digging themselves out, patching themselves up, and getting on with their lives.  But the wise among us see the load of bricks teetering above, recognize the danger therein, and refuse to walk under them.

    “That is what I see too as I spend hours a day immersed in things American.  Indeed getting into the alternative media and metals has taught me about libertarianism and how to abandon statist concepts like the political “left” and “right”.”

    This is complicated by the fact that although we know that there isn’t much choice between left and right anymore because both are headed towards disaster and they only differ in the speed with which they proceed.  Additionally, we still have to deal with a great many people who do not grasp the fact that left vs right is just another convenient way for the elites to separate people into smaller chunks that are more easily chewed up and swallowed.

    “I am probably more libertarian (dare I say American) than most “Americans” these days.”

    Bully for you!  as Teddy Roosevelt would have said.  🙂
    I have studied British culture a bit as well and have been a Brit-o-phile for quite a long time.  This is not to say that I admire your government any more than I admire our own but the people have many traits that I do admire.  Reaching back 3 generations would have seen a good part of my ancestors coming from England as well as from Russia, Germany, and likely a few other places as well.

    “Of course still British with much of the cultural overlay.”

    Of course.  It’s “in the blood”, as they say.  😉

    “I have taken the time to work out how to convert our statist social structure to libertarian from its current largely crony capitalist and socialist condition.  It would be remarkably easy and strangely from a historical perspective, very British too. We were libertarian in the 18th/19th century to an extent and this drove the industrial revolution.”

    I would venture to say that many of the great times in history occurred because the creativity and work ethic of various peoples have been unleashed and that when these were suppressed, we likely had terrible times, such as The Dark Ages.

    “As for Hellery I would certainly vote for Trump.  OK he is not my first choice but Hellery is satanic.”

    Agreed.  I see this choice not as one between the lesser of two evils but between that which MAY be bad and one that is absolutely and certainly horrific.  Evil?  Oh, yes, that and more.

    “OK my guess is our gas supplies are going to be fairly robust and there will be a strong political incentive to maintain that part of the system.  The incentive? The mob, piano wire and the lamposts lining Westminster Bridge!”

    Hear, hear!  We can use some incentive of that sort along the Potomac and Hudson rivers.
    Probably the biggest problem the US will face from civil breakdown will be the vast distances that goods normally travel here.  With limited fuel, it will be difficult to get food, fuel, medicine, and many other things from where they are created to where they are needed.  We will respond to this via local commerce in many instances but it will take some time to get that up and running.
    Where I live is fairly benign in that we have more than adequate rainfall and good soil, so can grow quite a few types of food.  This would be for local consumption, though, if transportation is limited by a lack of fuel.  I can just see people here ending their love affair with inedible grass so that much more fruits and veggies can be grown in their yards.  A lush and thriving garden is likely to be THE symbol of wealth and prosperity during such times.  Those who have more land than they can use will probably engage in share-cropping activities so that both they and others can make use of and profit from this land.
    Most of all, I am praying that people will come together in the face of adversity and will help each other get through these hard times, rather than try to abuse and take advantage of them. Some will work cooperatively and some will not but hopefully the numbers favor the former over the latter.

    • @Ed_B

      Many here in the US do not accept a lot of the prepper mentality because they are reactive and not proactive.  AFTER a load of bricks falls on them, they are pretty good at digging themselves out, patching themselves up, and getting on with their lives.  But the wise among us see the load of bricks teetering above, recognize the danger therein, and refuse to walk under them.

      A rather interesting if old illustration of the problems encountered when not recognising the dangers of bricks:

      The Bricklayer’s Lament

      two peoples separated by a common language”. Indeed and when you throw the cultural differences in as well it leads to great misunderstandings.  I had this with “Zebra” (what happened to him?) some time ago when I teased him about my employment status by announcing that I lived on welfare.  At the time there was some truth in this as I had to give up work to care for my wife as she is bed bound or close to it and has been for years.  In fact at the FX rates then current our income (inc pension) was pretty good and about average for the employed American family.  He could not handle this or the idea that we should receive welfare while we still owned a house.  In fact if we still had a mortgage on the property the state would have paid our mortgage interest too!  The system here is fairly comprehensive and might even be called generous for the severely disabled.  It can be so because in addition to income tax we also pay National Insurance contributions as state insurance.  These amount to 21% of income and are used to cover our state pension and disability benefits.  Some of these benefits are not free, you have to pay for them.  Prior to giving up work I ran my own consultancy company which worked in engineering fields such as optics, IT, mathematics and physics.  Knowing that  my wife’s condition would force me to give up work at some point I had paid off the mortgage to minimize the costs we would impose on the state (i.e. tax payer) and we still pay our local taxes which we could have laid off on the taxpayer if I had chosen a different route.  This is the system we have here and to me if you paid the premium you are entitled to the policy payout.  Still if you part learn the facts and interpret them in the light of your own culture and system it does not look too good at all.

      Probably the biggest problem the US will face from civil breakdown will be the vast distances that goods normally travel here.  With limited fuel, it will be difficult to get food, fuel, medicine, and many other things from where they are created to where they are needed.  We will respond to this via local commerce in many instances but it will take some time to get that up and running.

      I do get this and do see the US collapsing out of the cities and rebuilding as you say with a partial self reliance on your own food production and other productive skills used largely locally.  A breakdown in infrastructure in the cities makes them pretty much no go areas – if it does get that bad.  Peak fossil fuels are pushing things in that direction anyway.  As a small country that is also why I think we have a much better chance of keeping the gas and some electricity flowing and the cities alive for longer.  If we eventually do move back out of the cities to repopulate the land we also have a still near fully operational inland waterways system for transporting goods by water.  There are more narrowboats on these canals today then ever there were at the height of the industrial revolution.  They are a great way to see England as they take you from city centre to city centre via miles of open coutryside with lots of wonderful pubs to stop off for dinner at night – and you can drive drunk, but not too drunk.  I tried this myself quite a few years ago.  I bought a boat for $2500, had a four month holiday, then sold the boat for $2450.  It had a portable toilet, cooking and washing facilities, fridge, four berths etc. You often meet people who have escaped from the rat race on small pensions who live full time on their boats where they have no local taxes and sometimes make a little extra taking casual work.  Thinking about it it might make an interesting bug-out alternative as there are hideaways deep in the country where you cannot be found…

      Where I live is fairly benign in that we have more than adequate rainfall and good soil, so can grow quite a few types of food.  This would be for local consumption, though, if transportation is limited by a lack of fuel.  I can just see people here ending their love affair with inedible grass so that much more fruits and veggies can be grown in their yards.  A lush and thriving garden is likely to be THE symbol of wealth and prosperity during such times.  Those who have more land than they can use will probably engage in share-cropping activities so that both they and others can make use of and profit from this land.

      You well positioned then.  I live in a small house with small garden’s front and rear.  As is common practice in the UK when the house was built the builders stripped off the topsoil to sell leaving ground that is only suitable for lawn.  This is why a serious prolonged breakdown is a big problem to us with food being the bottom line.  Still if the metals rise enough before catastrophe day we might be able to move on.  I am not optimistic about this as the bankers have a vested interest in inducing the crash so they can “rescue” us thereafter.

       

    • @Silverine

       

      “A rather interesting if old illustration of the problems encountered when not recognising the dangers of bricks:
      The Bricklayer’s Lament

      Indeed so, lol.  He seems to have received a rather severe, albeit predictable, thwacking. 😉

      ” Indeed and when you throw the cultural differences in as well it leads to great misunderstandings.”

      Just so.  Added to this is that some people are quite sensitive about some things and will take offense where none is either offered or intended.

      “Still if you part learn the facts and interpret them in the light of your own culture and system it does not look too good at all.”
      Agreed.  Humans are complex critters and their lives have MANY facets… far too many for anyone other than themselves or those who are very close to them can ever know.  It is for this reason that it is good to give others the benefit of the doubt and not make assumptions that show them in a bad light.  Personally, I think that you are to be congratulated for the great care you have given your wife in her time of considerable need.  I would like to think that I would do the same in your situation but cannot know that with certainty until I am actually in that same situation and I refuse to make assumptions about it.  There have been some severe health issues in both my wife’s family and in my family, so I know just how hard it is to deal with these while at the same time handling all of my own problems.

      “A breakdown in infrastructure in the cities makes them pretty much no go areas – if it does get that bad.”
      Agreed… and that is a BIG “if”.  But then, that is what prepping is all about… looking at all of the possibilities, determining their likelihood of occurrence, and then applying that percentage of our assets to handling them.  This might not be perfect but it also might be the very best we can do.
      Something else that could make sense here in the US would be in the entire country were to break up into several autonomous regions that share a common geography that likely also have common problems and solutions to them.  For example, the states of Washington, Oregon, the northern 1/3 or so of California, Idaho, and western Montana could combine into an area I think of as “Pacifica”.  Other areas would do something similar.  Hopefully, these regions would then trade with each other and create economies that improve the lives of people in both as well as other regions.

      Your experience with the boat sounds good to me.  That seems quite a viable way to live, both before and after any hard times.  We have something similar here with people using RVs to travel and live “on the road” with no permanent home.  A lack of fuel here would end this, of course, but it seems to be working for those with a wanderlust way of living… for now.

      Yes, I am about as well positioned as one can be while living in the suburbs.  Moving out of town and only a few acres would definitely be a step up in what I could do to provide more food for the family during hard times.

      Yes, I have seen a number of British homes during my travels and love the impeccable gardens that many homeowners there keep.  They can be quite lovely.

      Sorry about the loss of topsoil there.  The good news is that if one can do some composting, one can re-create some very good soil for planting, even on a small plot of land.  Those who raise animals here sometimes compost their waste manure and later sell it to gardeners and to landscaping businesses.  I got a truck-load of this last year and had tomato plants more than 5 feet tall.  They really went for that!  I do this every other year and it works well.  Hopefully, this will build up my garden soil such that is can go a few years without adding more and still be highly productive.  If I had even a few chickens, they could be of great help in this effort.  😉

      “I am not optimistic about this as the bankers have a vested interest in inducing the crash so they can “rescue” us thereafter.”
      I am convinced that the recessions and depressions that occur do so because of the bankers and not because of the imaginary “business cycle”.  This entire crash and recovery cycle is orchestrated such that they ALWAYS end up better off afterwards than do the rest of us.  This simply cannot be a coincidence because it recurs so often.  🙁

    • @Ed_B

      Even within British culture you certainly can get “limited understanding” if you give up work to look after a sick relative.  Howver if I did not do that (and I am perfectly at liberty not to do that) I could dump my wife on the social services care system which would cost the tax payers a fortune as in effect she needs 24 hour care.  I have probably saved them £2M so far and yet I have gotten dirty looks when I tell people what I do: i.e. save them much money.  The system is not entirely lacking in gratitude.  They pay me £62.10 every week to save them all this money!  It is better than nothing and I have a small pension.  I did earn some respect when my son took a year out before going to University and I got a job for a year.

      There have been some severe health issues in both my wife’s family and in my family, so I know just how hard it is to deal with these while at the same time handling all of my own problems.

      Just in case I might be able to help you here.  I have delved into some medical conditions and I can cure or partially reverse several e.g. insulin resistance, the metabolic syndrome, CV disease, peripheral neuropathy, macular oedema, wet type AMD and diabetes 2 in two genetic sub-types.  If any of these are a problem please let me know.  Most ill health in the West is deliberately caused by the medical profession and Big Pharma.  I wish it was conspiracy theory.  It is not.

      Agreed… and that is a BIG “if”.  But then, that is what prepping is all about… looking at all of the possibilities, determining their likelihood of occurrence, and then applying that percentage of our assets to handling them.

      I am partly convinced that the UK is better positioned than most countries as it preserves it’s own currency, hence central bank and a 1/2% interest rate at least for now.  Our economy is in pretty good shape with record high employment.  Shame about the financial system.  The fact that we have not had massive statist interventions in business (apart from finance) by the government means to me that we are no future Venezuela.  In principle we might just need a new currency to continue as normal (OK it will not happen that way) if we are removing ourselves from the EU.  The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.  The sensible plan for the EU is to keep the UK in a Free Trade Zone and just drop the fascism.  This then represents an alternative to the complete break up of the EU for other EU members to aspire to as an alternative to departure.  In fact this would suit most EU countries.  TPTB know this of course and will try to prevent it.  It may however be too late.  Brexit may represent the end of the Globalists, they may not have time now to get back on track.  That one vote may have changed the world forever.  I think that idea is more than just hope.

      Something else that could make sense here in the US would be in the entire country were to break up into several autonomous regions that share a common geography that likely also have common problems and solutions to them.

      This idea has been mooted before and seems a likely outcome for the US where I believe the collapse could be quite severe.  The Federal government would be a rump and more power would lie with the regional governments.  America would rediscover itself.

      Yes, I am about as well positioned as one can be while living in the suburbs.  Moving out of town and only a few acres would definitely be a step up in what I could do to provide more food for the family during hard times.

      That to me would be the thing to aim for.  I am stuck with my personal circumstances unless the metals advance at a devastating pace.  That might improve our options.  Gold was within a gnat’s whisker of £1070 last night but this is probably half due to the falling pound.  I have been looking at some impressive old houses with land recently.  Just a dream right now but in six months a plausible possibility.  Real Estate in the UK is very expensive.  Dream on…!

      You are obviously more of a gardener than I am.  this in part is because I am unwell, top soil or not.

      As for the business cycle being a method by which the bankers milk an economy, that is a new concept for me.  I may have to think about that.

  12. @Silverine

     
    “Even within British culture you certainly can get “limited understanding” if you give up work to look after a sick relative.  Howver if I did not do that (and I am perfectly at liberty not to do that) I could dump my wife on the social services care system which would cost the tax payers a fortune as in effect she needs 24 hour care.  I have probably saved them £2M so far and yet I have gotten dirty looks when I tell people what I do: i.e. save them much money.  The system is not entirely lacking in gratitude.  They pay me £62.10 every week to save them all this money!  It is better than nothing and I have a small pension.  I did earn some respect when my son took a year out before going to University and I got a job for a year.”

    IMO, you have already earned some very heavy duty respect by standing by your wife at a terrible time in her life and dedicating your life to her service.  This is a HUGE and exhausting responsibility from which many would flee.  Yes, there are many ways to look at such things but for me the bottom line is, “Would I care to trade places with this man?”… and my answer is no, I would not.  In that same situation, I pray that I would have the courage that you display every single day.  We all have a mission in this life and yours is one of the toughest out there.
    There is some family history in this area that I will share.  Back in the Great Depression, I had a great aunt who was then married to a very wealthy man from a very wealthy family.  In fact, his family name is a household name in America, even now.  When my great aunt became chronically ill, he divorced her and gave her a million dollar settlement.  In those days, a million dollars was a fantastic amount of money… fully the equal of over 28,500 ozs. of gold, which would be about $39 million today.  I suppose that this was conscience money on his part but do not know for sure.  But I have always thought that this very wealthy man, for all his great Earthly wealth, was exceptionally poor in spirit to have done this.

    “Just in case I might be able to help you here.  I have delved into some medical conditions and I can cure or partially reverse several e.g. insulin resistance, the metabolic syndrome, CV disease, peripheral neuropathy, macular oedema, wet type AMD and diabetes 2 in two genetic sub-types.  If any of these are a problem please let me know.  Most ill health in the West is deliberately caused by the medical profession and Big Pharma.  I wish it was conspiracy theory.  It is not.”

    Thank you for your most kind offer.  I appreciate it very much.  Unfortunately, the health problems of which I speak were due to cancer and to emphysema.  Both of these are terrible diseases that can and very often do destroy lives and families.  For the most part, this is now history and behind us but a lot of sorrow remains.  There are experiences in life that do not heal and this is certainly one of them.

    “I am partly convinced that the UK is better positioned than most countries as it preserves it’s own currency, hence central bank and a 1/2% interest rate at least for now.  Our economy is in pretty good shape with record high employment.  Shame about the financial system.  The fact that we have not had massive statist interventions in business (apart from finance) by the government means to me that we are no future Venezuela.”

    Agreed.  Venezuela is a genuine “basket case” with little hope for a recovery any time soon.  I also agree that the UK is currently in reasonably good shape.  They will have many problems with which to deal but I have every confidence that they will persevere and win through them.  It will not be easy and it will take more time than many believe possible.  As has been said of difficult times, “The road is long, uphill, rocky, and strewn with potholes“.

    “In principle we might just need a new currency to continue as normal (OK it will not happen that way) if we are removing ourselves from the EU.  The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.  The sensible plan for the EU is to keep the UK in a Free Trade Zone and just drop the fascism.”

    If it were not for the fact that the EU is basically a fascist experiment for one world government, I would agree with you on this.  But, IMO, it is just that and it will not give up easily.  Note how quickly after the BrExit vote that the EU started discussing changes in EU law that would prevent other nations from following the same course as the British.
    I do agree that a new currency would be good but think that this is unlikely until some sort of financial reset occurs.

    “This then represents an alternative to the complete break up of the EU for other EU members to aspire to as an alternative to departure.  In fact this would suit most EU countries.”

    This may be entirely too intelligent and reasonable a response for the EU to take is seriously.  😉

    “TPTB know this of course and will try to prevent it.  It may however be too late.  Brexit may represent the end of the Globalists, they may not have time now to get back on track.”

    Agreed.  The entire globalist agenda is now coming under close scrutiny because of the BrExit vote, so I must say again, GREAT JOB, UK CITIZENS!  You very well may have just struck a giant blow for citizen freedom in our troubled world.  🙂

    “That one vote may have changed the world forever.  I think that idea is more than just hope.”

    It very well may have done just that.  It certainly showed other EU countries that this IS possible and how to go about it.  While hope is very important to most people, we also know that it is not a plan.  Things in the UK seem very turbulent politically right now but I have every confidence that it will get sorted out in good fashion before too long.

    “This idea has been mooted before and seems a likely outcome for the US where I believe the collapse could be quite severe.  The Federal government would be a rump and more power would lie with the regional governments.  America would rediscover itself.”

    Indeed so.  We might even reinvent ourselves while we are at it, eventually emerging from our Time of Troubles much better than we were when we went into it.  I can see a collapse as being devastating in the short term but also cleansing in the long term.  IMO, the real trick to coming through these hard times will be in the critical 90 days following the collapse.  I am assuming that “the collapse” will have some sort of recognizable time period in which it occurs and won’t be a long slow burn as some suggest.  Whether or not this assumption is justified will become known in time but is not particularly clear as of now.

    “That to me would be the thing to aim for.”

    Yes, it is a personal goal of mine.  Whether or not it can be made to work is another question.  My wife prefers to live in town where things are convenient, while I prefer the country where things are more quiet and slower paced.  But whatever we end up doing, we are in this together and that will not change regardless of what comes our way.

    “I am stuck with my personal circumstances unless the metals advance at a devastating pace.  That might improve our options.  Gold was within a gnat’s whisker of £1070 last night but this is probably half due to the falling pound.  I have been looking at some impressive old houses with land recently.  Just a dream right now but in six months a plausible possibility.  Real Estate in the UK is very expensive.  Dream on…!”

    Yes, RE prices in 2001 when my wife and I took a 19 day holiday in the UK amazed us both.  In general, it seemed as if 1/2 the house was twice the price as we would pay in the US.
    PMs could well advance at a devastating pace at some point in the not too distant future but there is no way to know if they will.  It is interesting to note that gold and silver are up the least in US$ terms.  In many countries, both metals have skyrocketed upwards in local currency prices.  It will get round to us at some point, just not yet.  We have had good price increases so far this year, though.

    “You are obviously more of a gardener than I am.  this in part is because I am unwell, top soil or not.”

    I have been working at learning and improving my gardening skills.  A lot of it consists of things that I learned from my parents many years ago.  We lived on a small acreage about 8 miles out of town, so had a large garden, several mature fruit trees, berries, and walnuts plus we also raised chickens for eggs and meat as well as rabbits for meat.  We even raised a pig once.
    Being relatively healthy is a major plus in anyone’s favor.  I count this as a major blessing in my life, especially since it has is always true.  One very quickly learns to appreciate something that can and sometimes does disappear just when it is most needed.  :-/

    “As for the business cycle being a method by which the bankers milk an economy, that is a new concept for me.  I may have to think about that.”

    I have thought about this for the past 5-6 years and am basing my conclusion somewhat on the famous quote of Thomas Jefferson, widely known as one of the most intelligent men among the Founding Fathers as well as in US government service.  He said:

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs”.

    Note especially, the reference to “first by inflation, then by deflation” portion.  This is precisely what happened here in the US immediately before the start of and during the Great Depression and is a classic “whip-saw” motion wherein something is first moved in one direction and is then very quickly snapped back in the other direction.  Such moves tend to be devastating, which this one most certainly is.  First, we had the “Roaring Twenties”, where credit was easy and people were borrowing money to start or expand businesses of all kinds.  Stock market investing was fast and furious with everyone and their uncle buying all manner of stocks, typically on 5% margin.  This allowed people to control $100 worth of stock for $5.  Of course, when the shares declined by $5, they were “wiped out”.  Both of these aspects were inflationary.
    Once about all the loans that could be made were made, credit was shut off and many loans were called in.  This did not “just happen”.  It was deliberate and it began the deflationary part that is called The Great Depression.  During this time, many smaller banks were closed, removing them from competition with the big banks… a bonus.  Since the big banks were flush with cash, much of it in gold in those days, they were able to buy many billions of dollars worth of distressed assets for pennies on the dollar, often from sheriff’s tax sales.  A lot of this was held for a decade until the economy recovered and was then sold for MANY times their cost.  This is a cycle that has repeated itself multiple times in the US and probably elsewhere as well.
    Additionally, a lesser version of this occurs about every 40 years, so as to not miss out on any potential milking possibilities and to give people time to forget what happened and who caused it.  Typically, these are called recessions or business cycle downturns.  We also have some real recessions from time to time that are not caused by the bankers but these do minimal damage to the economy and are of shorter duration and less depth in terms of financial and job losses.  The economy recovers quickly from these and many good jobs are created as the economy improves.
    In talking with elderly people 25-30 years ago, I learned that many who were young adults during the Great Depression had no love for the banks or for paper money.  While few of them had any gold, other than an occasional $5 gold piece, they did have silver coin money and that was what they primarily used to buy things.  I also learned that there were goods galore in the stores during the 1930s but precious little money with which to buy them.  It is this aspect to the story that prompts me to stack silver and some gold, so that when the Time of Troubles come, likely with economic collapse or another depression, I will have some real money with which to buy the things that my family needs.

    • @Ed_B

      When my great aunt became chronically ill, he divorced her and gave her a million dollar settlement.  In those days, a million dollars was a fantastic amount of money… fully the equal of over 28,500 ozs. of gold, which would be about $39 million today. 

      On our honeymoon, five days after we were married, my wife came down with MS and a few days later was immobile from the neck down.  At, let’s call it work, that was the moment the vermin chose to strike.  While she recovered from this first attack the whole course of my life was changed leaving me to plan around future needs.  It was at that point I discovered I was good at markets, something I now wish I had exploited further and earlier but then I had neither the background nor the capital.  About two years later my wife told me that she was surprised I had not run.  Most men she told me would have gone.  This rather surprised me as it is not a realised moral sense that guided me, not even the fact that she was my wife, just that she was a vunerable human being who needed help. There was no thought process, no rationalisation, no investigation of my motives whatsoever. Obviously you just do it.  Don’t you?  Apparently not.  I do know that I am too soft for my own good and always have been.  Far too empathetic with people… however, in compensation when it comes to markets I am utterly ruthless. My only rule is that I endeavor not to hurt people via side effects and indeed try to help them – yes, that is a thankless task especially in investing as I am sure you know.  I am ruthless in the inanimate world, that is it.

      As it happens my limited trading has so far been down to a few of Warren Buffet’s wideballs (IYKWIM). Everyone a big hit and mostly very well timed.  At some point in the future(?) I do want to do some online trading, but obviously not quite yet!!  If you know of any good trading packages I can practice with? Your help would be appreciated.

      Unfortunately, the health problems of which I speak were due to cancer and to emphysema.

      I have no experience in dealing with either, however for the former I would just throw all the alternatives at it including: IV Vit C, Caesium, apricot kernels, colloidal silver and god thunder vine.  I did use colloidal silver once for something other than the thing it actually cured in me which was bursitis.

      This may be entirely too intelligent and reasonable a response for the EU to take is seriously.  

      However it is not too intelligent for some of the people I know who are saying similar kinds of things. Globalist attacks to one side the UK really is in the driving seat on Europe and could open the door directly for a free trade zone within the EU in its departure negotiations.  It is to the advantage of pretty much all countries of the EU is we stay put and get rid of the fascist dictatorship at the same time.  Now any wiley politician realises they can unify remain and brexiters by following such a course of action. Brexiters are not averse to a non federal europe and most remains are naive about the fascist nature of Brussels.  We all want freedom of movement and trade.  Immigration is an issue to some as well as they see their local cultures being swamped.  There is a middle way and the most powerful and most popular is the one that destroys the globalists as I am sure the globalists know.

      I have myself been surprised by the high level of intelligent understanding expressed by many on this issue here.  I do not get out often but the few I have talked to have impressed me more so than I would have believed.  Maybe the Brits have struck a blow for freedom, but it is not entirely as accidental as I suspected just after the count.  The line was held, the winning margin at least, by good and reasoned people.  It has given me some hope.

      Yes, RE prices in 2001 when my wife and I took a 19 day holiday in the UK amazed us both.  In general, it seemed as if 1/2 the house was twice the price as we would pay in the US.

      Indeed.  And when I look at the house prices in the US they seem to be twice the house for half the money!  In 2009 my hovel was worth about $500,000.  The big problem for youngsters is getting on the housing ladder and especially anywhere near where they can get a job.  I just took a random look at Manchester in the North of England which is doing quite well economically.  There was a pokey one bedroomed flat on Michigan Way costing £160K.  I compared this with Michigan in the US where the same money will get me a 3-4 bedroomed detached house on 1.5 Acres.  Macomb county, wherever that is.  With the pound now low my house is only worth about $350K.  I could afford a nice place in Pacifica if they would take me off the no fly list (joke – I think).

      PMs could well advance at a devastating pace at some point in the not too distant future but there is no way to know if they will.  It is interesting to note that gold and silver are up the least in US$ terms.  In many countries, both metals have skyrocketed upwards in local currency prices.  It will get round to us at some point, just not yet.  We have had good price increases so far this year, though.

      It looks quite likely and the US is last on the launch list metal wise but could well be the first to the moon!  Recently the UK gold price was about 85% of the 2011 peak.  I have friends who were not aboard and are now regretting it. My son nipped in at the lowest point of the dip hours before the Brexit count!  He knows the old man is generally right on these things and knows to minimize his bank account.  I am getting through at last!  Bet you know that feeling.

      I have been working at learning and improving my gardening skills.  A lot of it consists of things that I learned from my parents many years ago.  We lived on a small acreage about 8 miles out of town, so had a large garden, several mature fruit trees, berries, and walnuts plus we also raised chickens for eggs and meat as well as rabbits for meat.  We even raised a pig once.

      I envy you the experience and future benefits it will bring.

      As for Jefferson he is much to be admired and his conclusions in general are right about what tribulations the bankers bring.  All forms of statism seem to support the inequality they breed and injustice they dispense and you give me examples of the mechanisms by which they milk the wealth of the producing classes.  They prefer of course to hide behind the state so the fault appears not to be theirs.  That makes life more comfortable for them.  Of course most people only see the visible state towards which they hold political positions to which they ascribe the terms “left” or “right” while the state itself milks them both through taxes or asset stripping.  This can only be avoided by the non-elite building up real asset wealth through the generations.  Keeping it out of sight helps a good deal, with gold and silver being good for this purpose.  The dynastic farm is a great idea too. A mother wants to protect her children and grand children for generations to come.  It should have great appeal.  This is part of our plan which may yet come to be.

       

       

       

       

       

    • @silverine
      “On our honeymoon, five days after we were married, my wife came down with MS and a few days later was immobile from the neck down.  At, let’s call it work, that was the moment the vermin chose to strike.  While she recovered from this first attack the whole course of my life was changed leaving me to plan around future needs.  It was at that point I discovered I was good at markets, something I now wish I had exploited further and earlier but then I had neither the background nor the capital.  About two years later my wife told me that she was surprised I had not run.  Most men she told me would have gone.  This rather surprised me as it is not a realised moral sense that guided me, not even the fact that she was my wife, just that she was a vunerable human being who needed help. There was no thought process, no rationalisation, no investigation of my motives whatsoever. Obviously you just do it.  Don’t you?  Apparently not.  I do know that I am too soft for my own good and always have been.  Far too empathetic with people… however, in compensation when it comes to markets I am utterly ruthless. My only rule is that I endeavor not to hurt people via side effects and indeed try to help them – yes, that is a thankless task especially in investing as I am sure you know.  I am ruthless in the inanimate world, that is it.”
      IMO, this shows great moral and spiritual courage.  Many people are not capable of doing this so would “run” as you say.  I would like to think that I would do as you have but no one can answer such a question without actually being in that same situation.
      Your comment on “There was no thought process, no rationalisation, no investigation of my motives whatsoever. Obviously you just do it”  was especially poignant because the essence of higher spiritual existence is “knowing” vs. that of lower spiritual levels, which is “learning”.  When one knows the correct path, they do not need to think about it because they know what they must do and they do it.

       

      “As it happens my limited trading has so far been down to a few of Warren Buffet’s wideballs (IYKWIM). Everyone a big hit and mostly very well timed.  At some point in the future(?) I do want to do some online trading, but obviously not quite yet!!  If you know of any good trading packages I can practice with? Your help would be appreciated.”

       

      Sorry but I do not know of any trading packages.  I learned about investing from books, magazines, and eventually from the Internet.  I know that some use computer programs that supposedly help them invest but I have never used one of them.  Perhaps my thought there is that if an investing program was really good, no one would sell it.  😉

       

      “I have no experience in dealing with either, however for the former I would just throw all the alternatives at it including: IV Vit C, Caesium, apricot kernels, colloidal silver and god thunder vine.  I did use colloidal silver once for something other than the thing it actually cured in me which was bursitis.”
      This is still good information and I will file it away in case of need.  Thank you for sharing it.

       

      “However it is not too intelligent for some of the people I know who are saying similar kinds of things. Globalist attacks to one side the UK really is in the driving seat on Europe and could open the door directly for a free trade zone within the EU in its departure negotiations.  It is to the advantage of pretty much all countries of the EU is we stay put and get rid of the fascist dictatorship at the same time.  Now any wiley politician realises they can unify remain and brexiters by following such a course of action. Brexiters are not averse to a non federal europe and most remains are naive about the fascist nature of Brussels.  We all want freedom of movement and trade.  Immigration is an issue to some as well as they see their local cultures being swamped.  There is a middle way and the most powerful and most popular is the one that destroys the globalists as I am sure the globalists know.”
      Brussels seems to be very high-handed on so many issues that it amazes me that there isn’t a stampede out of the EU.  Trade benefits all if it is not done in a predatory manner.  One need not be joined at the hip in order to formulate and implement limited but good trading rules.

       

      “I have myself been surprised by the high level of intelligent understanding expressed by many on this issue here.  I do not get out often but the few I have talked to have impressed me more so than I would have believed.  Maybe the Brits have struck a blow for freedom, but it is not entirely as accidental as I suspected just after the count.  The line was held, the winning margin at least, by good and reasoned people.  It has given me some hope.”
      As well it should, IMO.  Any time a blow is struck for liberty is cause for great joy in the world.

       

      “Indeed.  And when I look at the house prices in the US they seem to be twice the house for half the money!”
      That sounds about right.  When we were in the UK, one of the bigger flaps in progress was the increasing cost of beer.  The pint had just gone over 2£ and many seemed scandalized.
      Oh, speaking of beer, have you ever tried the beer in Cornwall?  I tried one there called “Cornish Creme” and it was absolutely the best beer I have ever tasted.  It was wonderful, yet only available locally, not bottled or canned, and apparently sold only in kegs and barrels.  That alone could be worth another visit to the UK.  😉

      “The big problem for youngsters is getting on the housing ladder and especially anywhere near where they can get a job.”
      Agreed.  This is one of the few ways that the young folks can make inflation work FOR rather than against them… and time is only one’s ally when one is invested!

       

      “I could afford a nice place in Pacifica if they would take me off the no fly list (joke – I think).”
      Those of good character would, no doubt,  always be welcome.  🙂

       

      “It looks quite likely and the US is last on the launch list metal wise but could well be the first to the moon!  Recently the UK gold price was about 85% of the 2011 peak.  I have friends who were not aboard and are now regretting it. My son nipped in at the lowest point of the dip hours before the Brexit count!  He knows the old man is generally right on these things and knows to minimize his bank account.  I am getting through at last!  Bet you know that feeling.”
      I do in a limited sense.  Our son understands most of what I have tried to pass along but our daughter is pretty much oblivious to it all.  Still, she is a sweet girl whom I love dearly, so I prep for her future needs.  She will be one of a great many who are totally shocked and surprised when everything they know about everyday life collapses.  Unlike a great many, however, this will not cost her dearly.  She does not know it yet but there is a considerable safety net just below the wire upon which she walks.

       

      “I envy you the experience and future benefits it will bring.”
      Thanks for that.  I am sure that we all have unique experiences and skills that will be very handy at some point in the not too distant future.  Mechanical, carpentry, plumbing, and electrical skills will become MUCH more important during hard times because the choice there is likely to be “fix it or do without it”.

       

      “As for Jefferson he is much to be admired and his conclusions in general are right about what tribulations the bankers bring.  All forms of statism seem to support the inequality they breed and injustice they dispense and you give me examples of the mechanisms by which they milk the wealth of the producing classes.  They prefer of course to hide behind the state so the fault appears not to be theirs.  That makes life more comfortable for them.  Of course most people only see the visible state towards which they hold political positions to which they ascribe the terms “left” or “right” while the state itself milks them both through taxes or asset stripping.  This can only be avoided by the non-elite building up real asset wealth through the generations.  Keeping it out of sight helps a good deal, with gold and silver being good for this purpose.  The dynastic farm is a great idea too. A mother wants to protect her children and grand children for generations to come.  It should have great appeal.  This is part of our plan which may yet come to be.”
      Agree on generational wealth and building it for a better family future.  A very necessary aspect of all this is to realize that the elites have put in a lot of rules that benefit them and that we can, on occasion, make use of those rules ourselves.  Many of these involve ownership and the benefits derived therefrom.  They allow non-elites to take advantage of these special rules because they know that not too many do so and they do not want to draw any attention to them.  Many people on the Internet rant and rail against these rules, which does nothing of any value.  What IS of value, however, is making use of these same rules ourselves so that our financial condition is improved for our family.

  13.  was especially poignant because the essence of higher spiritual existence is “knowing” vs. that of lower spiritual levels, which is “learning”.  When one knows the correct path, they do not need to think about it because they know what they must do and they do it.

    I’ll buy that.  It puzzles me as does the idea that most people would run. You are probably right I guess.

    Oh, speaking of beer, have you ever tried the beer in Cornwall?  I tried one there called “Cornish Creme” and it was absolutely the best beer I have ever tasted.  It was wonderful, yet only available locally, not bottled or canned, and apparently sold only in kegs and barrels.  That alone could be worth another visit to the UK.

    That is a new one on me.  I have drunk beer there, just about everywhere in the UK and probably far too much over the years but I am very fond of it.

    Agreed.  This is one of the few ways that the young folks can make inflation work FOR rather than against them… and time is only one’s ally when one is invested!

    Very true, my son will need guidance here before too long and I am so good at this kind of thing.

    Those of good character would, no doubt,  always be welcome.

    OK, that is not me (but I shall say nothing)…

     “Mechanical, carpentry, plumbing, and electrical skills will become MUCH more important during hard times because the choice there is likely to be “fix it or do without it”.

    You are so right and I am so horribly bad at these kind of things whereas my brother does the lot to a high level.

    Agree on generational wealth and building it for a better family future.  A very necessary aspect of all this is to realize that the elites have put in a lot of rules that benefit them and that we can, on occasion, make use of those rules ourselves.  Many of these involve ownership and the benefits derived therefrom.  They allow non-elites to take advantage of these special rules because they know that not too many do so and they do not want to draw any attention to them.  Many people on the Internet rant and rail against these rules, which does nothing of any value.  What IS of value, however, is making use of these same rules ourselves so that our financial condition is improved for our family.

    OK using the elites rules.  That is an important concept and useful too.  The banks of course are working very nicely for us right now or rather we have positioned ourselves to exploit their methods.  To do this and to be successfull you must have a reasonable idea of what is going on, luck aside.  That is the problem for most people and most especially my family.  It is a constant source of irritation to me as I beg, cajole, educate (unsuccessfuly in the main), inspire fear etc. to try and get them to do what is best for themselves.  They have no idea and prefer their normalcy bias.  It is much more comfortable.  Last night my brother suggested I sell my stack for real fiat (my word) as the price was up.  He has learned nothing.  He can however fix my car!

    Suggest we end the thread and maybe reconvene on an interesting topic elsewhere at some future time?

     

  14. Read quite a bit of the above and I feel these are the Golden rules to remember,

    In the past countries and systems have collapsed,ie the collapse of the Soviet Union,etc, – whats coming is so interlinked that no one country or area is going to survive,the whole lot is going to go down at once.

    Forget Left,Right and Centre politics it means absolutely nothing anymore,the systems of the world are being run for fewer and fewer people as the wealth is consolidated amongst fewer and fewer players as those left standing cannibalise each other to stay in the game.Countries and systems have gone beyond renewal as the currencies flow to fewer people in quantity and the cores that hold society together ie food production,power and water systems,provision of care and social provisions become unaffordable and collapse through lack of investment.All the systems are now run by Corporate Power,Politicians and the Banks and Central Banks not for the good of the Countries or the People but to centralise economic and political power to enrich these organisations solely for themselves.The MSM is brought and paid for and their output is pure economic,social and political fairyland.The Denial of the ruling establishment speaks volumes as to the depth of the problems coming,they have given up on sorting anything out and are only looking to their own personal and financial survival.

    Paper currencies will be printed until collapse,digital currencies will be hacked and once the net and power grid go down they will unavailable and finally totally discredited.Paper markets will be shut down to avoid the huge spikes that show the difference between propaganda and the reality of very limited supply of scarce available resources.The price for physical Gold and Silver will go blank as purely physical trades will be conducted under the counter,ATMs will have lower and lower limits of daily withdrawals and when the time comes banks will only open for small periods each day allowing less and less removal of currencies as queues grow and the value of currency collapse as people are afraid of selling what they cannot replace or items that continue to increase in price in a short space of time and therefore hoarding becomes commonplace.

    The vast increase in hard assets will come all at once,there is no planned collapse it is just happening and is now unstoppable,we have the talents and the skills to ensure we are in a better place than virtually all the people we know.

  15. Hey Jim this article is about 5 months old now when is gold reaching $1900????

    Oh you mean the year 3016!!!

    That is what I thought!!!!

    I’ll put you with Blow on common sense advise from now on

    Enjoy!!!!!

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