MUST WATCH: THE SILVER PRICE IS FIXED EVERY DAY – PROOF!!!

JP Morgan Dimon MastersBrotherJohn documents and discusses exactly how the price of silver is fixed every day in his latest Silver Update:
Price Fixing

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  1. Of course it is fixed. Every business day, in London… just like gold.

    Who needs proof when this is a fact of life? (also who needs a pair of eyes when a guy on youtube will read the article for you). Back to the sensationalistic headlines again I see…

  2. Yeah well it sounds like they are going to have to start fixing the price higher sooner or later.  

  3. If you have ever played a slot machine and watched the Cherry Icons amd others click by at a very fast pace friends, that is what you are about to see on any given future trading day or evening if you tune in to the live London Commodity Futures on all the metals as well oil of said futures probrogated in London is six hours ahead of my time zone which is central standard time, 10 P.M CST is 4 A.M. in the morning London time. Very soon you will see the numbers rolling over as fast as the Icons on the upward rapid climb as demonstrated as the slot machine rolling the Icons, but in this case will be money rolling in our favor and blowing the minds of those willing to stay awhile and watch the show. Matter of fact I watch the London Futures all day long. Watching The Comex on Silver or Gold always lags 10 minutes behind London, so I recommend getting a good seat in your home or office and logging into the Live 24-7 Futures,
    Log into this free site, refresh every now and then(  http://www.investing.com/commodities/real-time-future  )
    I tune in every Sunday at 5PM on the opening and watch the prices go up and down all day long. At end of the day I try to seek out the gurus reasons for the days movement . I must say most have no idea and simply quote reasons past and liken the price structuring as another cartel event, which I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN SOME CASES THAT STATEMENT IS NOT CORRECT. BECAUSE OUT OF ALL THE COMMODITIES LISTED AND HAVE BEEN SMASHED CORN, WHEAT, LIVE CATTLE AND THE REST MUST HAVE A CARTEL FOR EVERY COMMODITY!

    • @Ranger “I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN SOME CASES THAT STATEMENT IS NOT CORRECT. BECAUSE OUT OF ALL THE COMMODITIES LISTED AND HAVE BEEN SMASHED CORN, WHEAT, LIVE CATTLE AND THE REST MUST HAVE A CARTEL FOR EVERY COMMODITY!”
      Gold and Silver are not comparable to those other commodities. In fact I can prove this by the way that Gold and Silver trade in complete synchronism with each other as NO other 2 commodities do … if you can find 2 that track each other like Gold and Silver let me know.
       
      Which means Gold and Silver manipulation is more important to look at when it comes to long term manipulation because they ARE Monetary assets (in the world Central Banking perception anyway, at least the Chinese would agree).
       
      So you’re trying to compare Food Commodities and their trading with Gold and Silver trading why? … to poo poo anyone who is pointing out an obvious problem with London and US trading prices of 2 very important and unique STRATEGIC commodities.
       
      Is Oil manipulated within OPEC by the Saudis and their not so secret agreements with the US (or US Military to be more correct) ???
       
      Gold, Silver, and Oil are very different to food commodities, and of course the biggest reason is they are not perishable and can be cornered and screwed with more easily. Gold and Silver are literally set every day by 3 (silver) 5 (Gold) Banks in London, this is very different to pork bellies.

    • @Ranger
      Any timeline to the “Very soon” prediction on upward spins?

  4. You know, I’d log out, if that top black bar would come up at the very top of each page.
    I’m using IE2 or something like that… 12 years old.
    I gotta get a new laptop someday :)

  5. As Bro. John quotes from the vid as the official propaganda… “Silver is not a Tier 1 Capital and not considered Money”
    This official paradigm is amazing to me, especially considering if you take a daily Gold chart and a daily Silver chart and compare them you will find that they are in almost a 100% lock step synchronized trading paradigm. So in truth, if Gold is considered a Tier 1 Capital and still considered as ‘Money’ then why the hell would they both trade like this if Silver was not also a monetary asset? …what other physical similarities are there for these 2 elements on the periodic table other than their 1000′s of years old un-killable perception as MONEY?
     
    For instance Palladium and Platinum trading is not in sync with Gold and Silver, so it’s just amazing to me that even though there is an ‘official’ paradigm about Silver not being Money, the blatantly obvious truth for everyone to see is that it IS MONEY, and is still considered just like Gold to be a virtual Tier 1 Capital and store of wealth by the trading community and investors/hoarders. Considering that Silver in the electronic age has surpassed Gold in industrial use, you would expect there to also be a steady increase in the Silver price, vs, Gold (the ratio) as a component in there somewhere, or otherwise a complete decoupling from Gold (like Palladium and Platinum) but alas it evades us. Why? If it is not Money or a pseudo-Tier 1 Capital then why?
    Surely LBJ and Nixon BOTH FAILED in their attempted alchemical fraud? …maybe the truth is that the ‘official’ opinion nowadays is neither here nor there, because world economics in schizophrenic psyche out mode… officially toxic MBS’s and CDO’s were all mostly AAA rated 5 years ago … Official, O’schmizal …
     
    Personally, for these and other reasons I consider Silver a better purchase than Gold, I’m just waiting for reality to kick in and for the trading paradigms to snap, the London Fix to be given as much respect as it deserves, none, and for Silver to once again be considered by the every-man to be honest payment for wages … also for it be revalued upwards against Gold because of its clearly more useful role in industry/electrical. In fact, it will be a funny day when Mt Gox is trading higher volumes of fiat rubbish than the Comex and LBMA trade in a single day … right before Mt Gox also goes to the Moon, then the Sun, and then crashes straight back to earth like Icarus; flying too close to the non existent ceiling of ponzi heaven in defiance of all laws of common sense.
     
    The idea that Governments and Companies determine what is or is not a monetary asset or a Tier 1 is absurd, and I think that after the new economic revolution against Fiat (and Bitcoin, once the ponzi burns out) there will be a fear burnt into the backs of peoples’ minds so deep that they will solidly resist Fiat and bolster PM’s for a long time to come.But of course I truly believe that out of this crisis ‘they’ will attempt to force a One World Fiat on us all (Or at least a Fiat minus China, Russia and anyone else that ‘they’ couldn’t economically take down and buy out) … the Gold and Silver confiscations will be part of this also, but my belief is that it will in the long run fail, and that reality will return after a long and debilitating world war … again.
     
    It’s REAL MONEY, made by God in the bowels of Celestial Stars, and limited by human labor and technological advancement, not a printing press and a con artist/s with a keyboard creating 1′s and 0′s.

  6. I would argue that the price of Silver is broken, not fixed.

  7. How can anyone rig a physical market?    If 20 oz silver is so under-valued, why are there no shortages?   If the physical demand is not strong, how can anyone claim market rigging?
    If gasoline started selling for $1 per gallon at just a few gas stations, guess what?   They run out in short order, a shortage develops and the price is NOT sustainable, what do people think this basic principle of supply and demand does not apply to the physical silver market?
    The “big boys” in the paper market are just playing with the “trading range”, hitting stop losses and raping traders.   They play a 5-10% range, they don’t control and will never control the physical market.
    There are people on this board telling me that physical demand for silver does not determine price, yet in the next sentence they think a -30% decline in silver mining will be meaningful for the price of silver.  Talk about a confused approach to analyzing a market.

    • zman, I would argue that yes-there are some physical shortages and yes-this due to the relatively low prices.
      A check on the availability of ‘junk’ bags on the APMEX site reveal:
      1) $100 face-value bags of both regular and BU 1964 Kennedy Halves….Out of Stock
      2) $100 face-value bags of both AU and BU Franklin Halves….Out of Stock
      3) $500 face-value bags of both Kennedy and Walking Liberty Halves….Out of Stock
      4) $500 face-value bags of both Barber and Mercury Dimes….Out of Stock
      5) $1,000 face-value bags of cull Morgan and Peace Dollars….Out of Stock
      6) $1,000 face-value bags of VG-VF Morgan and Peace Dollars….Out of Stock
       
      Having regularly visited APMEX’s website, I can honestly say this is a recent development.  While I would not go so far as to claim there is an acute shortage, there are indeed some availability issues out there.
       
       
       

    • @zman: “How can anyone rig a physical market? The London “fix” is exactly that. Powerful London banks “fix” the price of PM via a daily conference between them. You have a special knack for deliberately trying to deceive the readers of this forum. Consistency has never been a sign of stupidity (James Forrestal). If you were merely ignorant or stupid, you would occasionally tell the truth. You are a traitor.

    • @mexrph
      Answer the questions I mentioned in the above post.    I would love the hear the answers.
      One can only rig a market if there is plenty of supply available, do you not agree with this basic premise?

    • Mammoth, no one denies shortages in some products and junk has been difficult to find at times.  The broader mkt is concerned with bulk silver, which is readily available and is being turned into products, but as you know junk silver is obviously not being made…  However the availability of junk, or lack there of, has little bearing on the futures mkt… It will present itself if premiums over spot.

    • @Zman, I think you mean “if there is *not* plenty of supply?”

    • @zman >>>If gasoline started selling for $1 per gallon at just a few gas stations, guess what?   They run out in short order, a shortage develops and the price is NOT sustainable, what do people think this basic principle of supply and demand does not apply to the physical silver market?
      So are you trying to say that lowering the price of gasoline in the US would over time increase the demand for overall gasoline? Wrong … if it is too cheap then of course there is a buying spree momentarily, but over time this would slow down even if the price stayed constant, the overall increase would be incremental. If all food prices were cut in half relative to wages would people immediately and indefinitely consume double the amount of food simply because they can afford it? Your point is a straw man argument. The case for PM manipulation is a prolonged attack that has suppressed the price for nearly two years even though the dynamics of USD standard death have accelerated.
       
      And of course the manipulation of the posted price out of London would only serve to aid the London ponzi because Australia, South Africa and Papuan etc Gold mines are saddled to this price whether they like it or not, simply because of NYC-London world market dominance/inertia. China will not announce a Gold backed Yuan alls the whilst these other outlying Gold Mining Countries (Commercial Colonies) are swapping their valuable resources for the USD Fiat China has accumulated due to the Free Trade agreement madness of the last 30-50 years and the PetroDollar dynamic. And until China announces a Gold backing there will be no global earth shaking economic challenge required to shake off the perception that Gold is not way more valuable and important as a reserve requirement than say US TBonds, or bonds from any country for that matter.
       
      It’s all about Bretton-Woods–>Nixon PetroDollar Economic Inertia, and the fact that London and NYC dominated economic technical infrastructure like trading center technologies. If you try to reduce your arguments about manipulation of PM’s down into such a small analytical box of course you cannot see a case for manipulation … the BIG picture is what counts, but I guess to some people thinking BIG is some kind of conspiracy theory.
       
      >>>The “big boys” in the paper market are just playing with the “trading range”, hitting stop losses and raping traders.   They play a 5-10% range, they don’t control and will never control the physical market.
      Playing with trading range? Yes, doing it at moments when Fed policy is announced and dumping massive amounts of paper in large hits to shake out physical sellers who have weak hands … not to mention that the Media created perception of PM’s is a form of manipulation that plays hand in hand with the actual manipulation. The concerted effort of the Media to hold Westerners away from owning Gold/Silver is probably more to blame than any actual manipulation on the market, but everything about the world of Gold and Silver screams manipulation.
       
      >>> There are people on this board telling me that physical demand for silver does not determine price, yet in the next sentence they think a -30% decline in silver mining will be meaningful for the price of silver.  Talk about a confused approach to analyzing a market.
      Well of course it will mean nothing to the price all the whilst the manipulated paper trading is determining the price … what people are saying is that it SHOULD have an effect on the price, and they are making the point that when people call for physical delivery that the manipulation will be clear for everyone to see; They are pointing out the realities of running a ponzi scheme … a game of musical chairs … anyone holding the paper contracts when the music stops will find themselves without a chair, and don’t think for a minute that they will even be able to be paid with Cash … there will be bankruptcies … MF Global x1000 = GLOBAL.

    • @WillNotBeASlave
      Thank you for the response, but I disagree with you on the demand side not changing due to price action.  Investment demand should go higher if investors see value at a certain price level,  I can only eat so much food, but I can buy plenty of silver at $12 oz and just store it.
      The point being is, if silver is under valued today, why isn’t there any shortages?    This is a global market, they can’t control physical demand and shortages.   
      There was only $6 billion of investment demand for silver this year, what happens if $30 billion flows into the physical silver market next year? Much higher prices, or big time shortages.
      What happens if Sprott raises $2 billion for his PSLV next month?     How would they handle 100 million ozs of physical silver leaving the market and still keep they price at $20 oz?    They couldn’t, the fact of the matter is, Sprott hasn’t done a offering in over a year, and that fact is very telling.

  8. Ranger  Willnotbeaslave is as long a poster as me but much more knowledgeable
    I’ve come up with the Ranger Rule of Two, in deference to your insights.
    If someone states with absolute certainty that something will happen in a certain time, I double the time line. 
    If action happens to some degree, percentage or number of times, I increase that occurance by two if the trend is up and halve it if the trend is down.
      If someone makes a prediction of prices  I divided by half. 
    Two years until the big bang. That lets me sleep and night and stack more if the FIAT is available.
    Your view  and observation of the Futures Market are, I am sure, very telling.  Watched long enough and patterns develop.
    Over the last 30 years I can crunch business numbers and financial data faster than a super computer with better results because 30 year of experience tells me something that a super computer cannot tell. That’s the human element behind anything like these data formats  Or so it seems to me

    If you can see the human element effects behind the numbers you can make some reasonal predictions

    • That would be too deep of a strategy for some people AG … just keep stacking as our Scottish friend would say :P
      The only human element I see behind the numbers is the Wizard of Oz. Fed Alchemy and MSM Bull Shit in surplus.
      How many other major markets need to be outed as fully rigged (LIBOR, ISDAFIX, ENRON …) before people wake up to the fact that a Free-Market doesn’t exist, just the illusion of one.
      But yet we still have to school people on why 3-5 single entities sitting around in a dark room in London controlling the world price of the most important 2 commodities on Earth is the very DEFINITION OF MANIPULATION, or at least complete lack of a truly free market.

  9. Copy that willnotbeaslave
     
    I’d try something else.
    Occam’s Razor Meets KISS*
    Simplification in it’s essence.  
    Trying to wrap one’s mind around 25-50 cause and effect conditions in the world causes brain damage. 
    In politics there is no such thing as a coincidence. 
    This is simpler than the butterfly effect

    *KISS   Not to be confused with the rock group.  Shave their butts with Occam’s Razor, make them walk backward. They’d look prettier.

    Keeping it simple works for me. 
    As the big dude says on Fox News says  “I’m a simple man’ 
    Didn’t we call these oligarchs Swiss Gnomes at one time?

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