SilverCrashIn this interview with AltInvestors, BrotherJohnF discusses the coming market crash and whether it will take down gold and silver similarly to the 2008 financial collapse.

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  1. I oftrn find myself in great admiration of Brother JohnF, though at other times I have to wag my head in sad disappointment. This is true of many of the sincerely reflective and genuinely concerned folks I listen to in ‘the marketplace of ideas’.
    This preconclusion of eternal viability of the banknote scheme on sheer determination of the elites is a reflection of brainwash he suffers from (as do 99% of our fellows in the world). To dismiss the illusion I’ll switch objects of examination. We’ll replace grains of rice for banknotes and time in labor for their numerical ‘value’.
    Who would find it ‘reasonable’ that a hundred sixty-five grains of rice, should be offered for a day’s labor? I dare say few people on our entire planet! Yet in truth, that’s what a banknote equates to in reality. This is why banks are loath to print the things without the obligatory interest ‘recompense’ of someone ELSE’S labor through Loan! When banknotes are ‘printed from thin air’ on whim, the Labor must be given up by the bankers (and politicians … and monopolists).
    This ‘web’ of credit is so entangling, though, that even those who catch an inkling of its mechanism, recoil from its demise because they pre-conceive intractible dependence on it. Nevertheless, those who struggle further to comprehend it as fully as they’re able, recognize it’s inevitably doomed to require more input (interest funding currency creation) than can be endured in its effect on prices and that’s the point of Debt Saturation which ‘kills the beast’.
    The banknote scheme is systemically ruinous of stable economic environments, so ANY MINUTE allowance for it is self-delusion. Every temptation to accommodate its existence, therefore, ought to be opposed on that Principal of comprehension.
    Paper Rots, Coin Does Not.

    • Ya know…I genuinely enjoy the thoughts of people in the market place too. But I must admit this interview wasn’t very productive and the title to the post fairly misleading.
      I know people want to produce, but this is youtube and it’s not like they get paid by the word. It’s okay that sometimes nothing too exciting is going on— on the surface…..and it’s not being called a ‘Long Consolidation’ for nothin’. 
      I’m just a guy. Make no large claims to know anything.
      So, here’s my thought—or my hot air—how ever a reader my choose to view it.
      From my perspective we are already a few weeks into a separation –THE SEPERATION– between the physical price of PM’s and the Paper price. I’ve been watching a lot of the many Local Coin Shops in my area.
      You can buy graded or numismatic collectable’s…
      Walk in and ask a dealer for a tube of Silver Eagles–forget it. Ya can’t get ’em. “Not sure when I’ll have more….”  ask for a Gold Buffalo…same thing….the display case is empty.  “Maybe a seller will come in & I could call ya….” 
      Maybe they are out.  Maybe they have a couple monster boxes in the office…..donno….
      Do know I’m not walking out with any again today.
      So–Silver IF spot falls to $22.
      Big deal.
      Nobody going to sell it to me down at that level either.
      Anybody think Doc or Apmex or anyone not shorting futures is  going to get 2013 ASE’s for say $33 and sell ’em to me somewhere around $25?   Not in my dreams………
      So what difference is it to a stacker if the spot price keeps falling??
      Am I discouraged.
      Will I be trying to acquire more Phyzz? 
      Hell yes!
      The question, I think is–will I be able to find any??

    • “Doc or Apmex or anyone not shorting futures”
      Hate to break it to you but APMEX for one is 100% hedged with futures.    They dont care what the price of silver or gold is as long as someone buys it from them.  
      In fact its good for business if there are major takedowns.   Whenever business is slow you can:
      a. Create a shortage to wake up the market and get people to pay 3 times the premium they should,
      b. Knock the price down out of the blue and create a fire sale.
      Without futures markets APMEX and most major dealers would not be in business.   The dealers are part of the problem people, not the solution.   They put on a front that they are bullish fundamentals of the metals markets but in reality they are used car salesmen.  They just want to sell you something for more than they paid for it.

    • Pat, Brotherjohnf is still locked into the Twilight Zone. He reads the tea leaves based upon a manipulated market. How can anyone remotely predict a manmade market price? I do not question who Mr. Johnf is, but a analysis who hides behind a false name I have no confidence in anything they say. To be influenced by a technical analysis of a manipulated market by Mr. Anonymous on my computer screen is pure insanity. I personally have no confidence in Brotherjohnf AT ALL! Guitar Dan is correct: this is the same guy who predicted $100/oz silver in 2011. I have listened to this guy for months. He is always touting Australian silver and collectible coins. What a dipstick. When this economy tanks, junk silver is going to be the best investment you can have with you. Those coins are still recognized as money. A nice pretty Australian silver dollar in plastic is very pretty, but in an environment of survival, pretty means NOTHING!

    • A hundred sixty-five grains of rice may be accepted if the numeral values are written on it. How can anyone accept fiat currencies that are created out of thin air when one day, their values will be abused by the government? People think about purchasing powers by the numeral values the banknotes have and not its capacity of purchasing goods and services.

  2. How about we start with BrotherJohnF and Mr Turd giving their REAL NAMES PLEASE

    These people think youre idiots and they are right if you listen to technical analysis of RIGGED MARKETS by ANONYMOUS ANALYSTS on the internet


    Do a Google search on AltInvestments and see what you find people

    • FYI, I’m not Altinvestments.  That is different than what I do.  I’m Alt Investors Hangout (AIH) known to people as Alt Investors.  I just do podcasts.  

    • Yes.   The Anonymous “DOC” apparently doesnt have the time to proof read his posts.
      There is no Altinvestments.
      There’s probably no “DOC” either.   My guess this web site is a backroom operation, a derivative of SilverBro’s Super
      good luck

    • Maybe they don’t want to give away their real names because they might be worried about putting their life in danger. Maybe if Obama discovers their real name, he will put them on his assassination list for speaking out the truths.

  3. I take anything Brother John F says with a grain of salt.  I have no doubt that he is a decent and good man, but wasn’t it he who was saying 18 months ago that silver would hit triple digits by the end of 2011?  Am I the only one who remembers him saying that?  Well, he wasn’t even close now, was he.  What did silver close the year at in 2011, 26 something? 
    I have since taken the opposite of what these prognosticators say. All of them. If they say silver is going to soar, I say it’s going to get smashed.  If they say it is going to crash, I say it’s going to soar.  I’m usually right more often then they are. In the end, it doesn’t really matter because A) I am not in this for the short haul and B) I am building up my wealth for a day down the road when I won’t even be alive to enjoy it, so C) I will keep stacking at these insanely low prices for the sake of my children and their children etc.    

    • ” I have no doubt that he is a decent and good man, but wasn’t it he who was saying 18 months ago that silver would hit triple digits by the end of 2011?”
      Yes…yes he was. As you said, his heart might be in the right place but his biases turned him into just another silver charlatan. 

    • That’s why I don’t listen to financial “experts'” advices anymore. They all keep saying the obvious thing and they keep saying predictions in which the majority of them are false.

  4. In case no one is paying attention…we have all ready crashed. Those that buy and hold expect price fluctuations.Losses only materialize if you are forced to sell. Weak Hands will lose money in this cycle. My personal strategy and advice is  NOT TO BUY if you can not weather 5 year span with out needing to liquidate your holdings. I could care less about day to day down moves because the metals reset will HAVE to happen at some point. I cant time the market…I have a hedge in place.
    Interest rates on FIAT are negligible so its better to have some exposure to the upside that Metals allow. Let the PAPER SILVER and Gold move the market anyway they like, they will try and break the backs of as many of the smalls  as they can and reap profits on the up and down moves. I dont care. Stick to your guns. Keep your powder dry.
    Hopefully you are all smart enough to have taken care of the big things and only bought with money that can afford to wait.Silver will move mountains…just have to have the patience and courage to hold tight. If you see  $26.00 then who knows how deep the rabbit hole will go.

    • You got THAT correct! For savers of reality, up or down in paper is a hold either way. Accumulate on WHATEVER ‘dips’ materialize and over time all this period of hoop-la will fade into complete absurdity. I only wish I had knowledge and foresight when silver was 2 and 3 banknots per ounce. My laughter would be all the more ribald.

    • My hands are weak, but they are attached very well with my gold and silver stacks with chains. I mean even if I want to sell my precious metals, I cannot do that because I need to be 18 years old. Plus, I don’t have much motivation at selling them!

  5. BrotherJohn has been off on his calls simply because he believes in that voodoo call technical analysis.  Gold and silver are controlled and manipulated.  We see it everyday like clockwork.  Why do these guys keep predicting price in dollar terms?  There are two groups of people who are in gold and silver.  Paper traders and physical owners.  Most on this board are physical owners of the metals.  These people understand that the metal isn’t for this current system.  It’s a hedge against the currencies going to nothing.  It’s a insurance policy against the corrupt governments of the world.  We don’t need technical analysis to understand the value of the metal.  I don’t trade and I don’t care about your 50 day moving averages, cup and handles, pennant formations, or your head and shoulders.  The market is rigged.  Your analysis is never going to be right when you are in a rigged casino.  These people like BrotherJohn will consistently be wrong in the future if they continue to use these tools. 

    • Well said, duckvision!! In the Bible days brotherjohnf would be a false prophet. Only thing recently he has been right on is the price of Apple falling. But how hard is it to predict the fall of a stock price when it is at it’s all time high? Seriously….,? I’ll provide a price prediction right now: the stock market is in a bubble and will soon fall like a rock…., and I did not even need the technical charts to come to my conclusion.

    • “But how hard is it to predict the fall of a stock price when it is at it’s all time high?”

      Actually, it could still be pretty hard.  Yes, Apple DID hit an all-time high of about $705 a share before its fall into the lower $400s.  But how many new highs did it set before that, which were also all time highs?  Many, I would think.  Choosing one of them as your selling price could have left considerable money on the table.  Back in the day, I remember Apple selling for $8 a share.  I even bought some but sold it when the price quadrupled.  That was a good profit but nothing like what could have been realized by putting those shares away and forgetting about them for another 15 or so years.  😉

    • Exactly! The real main reason why everyone is stacking precious metals is to protect against the devaluation of fiat currencies. If someone wants to make profits in terms of dollars on precious metals, then he should buy stocks instead.

    • OK, but the proof of the pudding IS in the eating, so now tell us how many puts you bought just before the fall and how much you made on selling them just afterwards.  😉

  6. Awakenings Come From Different Sources But They All Predict The Same Outcome.
    My wife who is into Astrology received this from her Prophet and now finally she has had an awakening and is on my side. She also want’s to stack more silver, food and other essentials. Lol
    It’s a little lengthy but but the signs are there for our coming future.
    At the dawning of our Golden Age we find ourselves beneath the first Saturn retrograde.  As Saturn’s transit enacts global alchemy, which is the gradual transmutation of worldly circumstances, we will soon witness a profound reckoning and rebirth of global proportions with effects to be easily perceived as both prophetic and supernatural.  At the core of this period, which is active from February 18th until July 8th, will be the beginning of the Apocalypse of Babylon, that system of evil which for a time held authority on the Earth.  Contrary to common fears over Saturn’s transit, this retrograde will bestow plagues upon those who serve evil while those who serve God enjoy blessing, healing, and empowerment.  And now, let us begin this journey by revisiting a prophecy from times past…
    The Whore of Babylon
    This retrograde period is of biblical significance to the world because we will see a certain prophecy become fulfilled during its time.  The mystery of the Whore of Babylon, first introduced to the world in St. John’s Book of Revelation, unfolds in Rome.  As St. John wrote, this “Whore” sits upon a “Beast” that has “seven heads” as “seven mountains”, and that this “Beast” has “ten horns” which are “ten kings” without kingdom.  The Seven Hills of Rome, named Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, and Viminal are the “seven heads” of this “Beast.” The prelates of the Roman Congregations, are the “ten kings” of this “Beast.”  These cardinals are the “kings”, forming the governing council of the Vatican, which was described further in Revelation as “that great city which reigns over the kings of the Earth.”  There are three false Congregations which the Vatican has created to veil this truth in order to deter discovery, to no avail.  The truth is that The Whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church.
    The Prophecy of the Popes
    Since the beginning of time all things have been known, to include the names of every pope to ever live.  In centuries past a revelation was given to the venerable St. Malachy of Ireland, who received the names of every future pope by divine inspiration.  This sacred knowledge has been cast away and mocked by the Vatican who fears it, but the time has come for its great fulfillment.  In this prophecy St. Malachy wrote that the final pope, who will come beyond the time of Benedict XVI, will bear the name “Peter.” He further described this man as “the Roman.”  At present the world is in awe that Benedict XVI has recently announced his sudden resignation.  It was foretold by St. Malachy that Benedict’s papacy would end this year – many are unaware of this.  The greatest worldly event that we will witness during Saturn’s retrograde in Scorpio will be the rise of Peter as the next and final pope of the Roman Catholic Church.  The significance of this is beyond description because as the prophecy foretold, Peter will be the one to end the Church and commence the Apocalypse of Babylon.  Did you see the lightning strike?
    Coming Changes
    During these 141 Saturn retrograde days we will see the following types of things happening in the world:  systemic collapses within the global financial system, restructuring of economic blocs, massive debt relief, especially within third world nations, riveting, criminally-oriented political disclosures, high-profile oustings, chaos within currency markets, abandoning of religious institutions because of grotesque revelations, deconstruction of despotic geopolitical alliances, deaths within the masonic leadership, unmasking of great conspiracies connected to finance, food, and medicine, a crippling of prominent exchange markets, a resurgence of faith in God because of remarkable worldly signs, and the overthrow of totalitarian regimes, agencies, and individuals.  All of these things will carry a heavy sense of fear among those involved, to the extent of incapacitation in the more extreme cases.  The days where dark things advanced unchecked have come to an end.
    On an individual level we will have experiences focused upon these archetypal themes: transformation, exposure, crime, conspiracy, fear, power struggles, retaliation, manipulation, vengeance, psychology, disease and disorder, resource sharing and exchange, debt, secrecy, deception, survival, sex and sexuality, drugs, addiction, obsession, regeneration, purification, empowerment, revelation, literal and metaphorical death and rebirth, the paranormal, the supernatural, the sacred, initiation, and self-mastery.  Within these domains we will be tested, reckoned, and initiated into higher states of consciousness.  The nature and magnitude of our experiences will reflect our own vibration as the cosmos reflects who we are back into our life experiences.  Embracing the challenges and using them to enable astonishingly positive life transformations is the ideal course.  It is no secret that the trials of life can serve us in profoundly beautiful ways.
    Have No Fear
    The foremost lesson that we are to learn while Saturn transits Scorpio is how to transmute Light from darkness, within ourselves, our lives, and our world.  We are tested to do this with restricted means to ensure that we totally integrate the experiences as part of our soul’s development.  Saturn’s transit is not one to fear but one to respect and honor through willful adaptation to extraordinary circumstances.  In reality a small percentage of people have the will and endurance to see through their challenges, which is a fatal spiritual mistake, and one that follows through this life and carries into others.  Some spend many lives running from the same test thinking foolishly that God would accept a half-hearted effort to a test that He has deemed necessary for their soul’s evolution.  We should all recognize Saturn and its synchronous tests as requirements by God to ascend in His kingdom.  For this reason, awareness of Saturn’s transit and its impact on our lives is of paramount importance.
    Transit Keys
    If you are reading these words it is not by accident.  There is a certain resonance between this knowledge and your own individual place and trajectory within the Divine plan.  With this in mind here are some valuable things that will help you manifest the greatest possible potentials during and beyond this retrograde: wearing amethyst, as it will transmute the negative influence of Saturn, knowing that events of relief and empowerment will always come as planets make aspect to Saturn, exchanging goods and services of value that you possess to secure things of necessity, private bartering, the responsible use of material resources, the sharing of goods to save life from death, incurring debt for the livelihood of others, bearing hardships for the innocent, detoxifying the mind, body, and spirit, abstaining from non-romantic sex, never lying, denying the ego, detaching from all harmful relationships, and embracing sacred things.  Saturn requires adaptation.  Those of us who can do this will enjoy the brightest futures.
    The Innocent
    Toward the latter portion of Saturn’s retrograde a titanic alignment will form between Saturn and Neptune, which transits Pisces.  This influence will become active during the middle of May and remain until the third week of August.  These combined energies will deliver grace and mercy to the innocent and forgotten souls who suffer throughout the world in the most deplorable, disgraceful circumstances.  Those who have been stricken by the plagues of hunger, poverty, misery, hopelessness, fear, and despair will enjoy great relief that will save life and bring promise of a brighter future.  Every nation will experience this, what I can only describe as Divine mercy and unconditional love, because in truth our world has been under assault from evil for centuries.  The time has come for dramatic healing and no one is forgotten.  To the children without love, care, water, food, family, or shelter – these energies are coming for you.  To those who labor to serve the least of them – these energies are coming for you.  And to those who have created these detestable conditions – these energies are also coming for you.
    Supernatural Rebirth
    Egotism is in decline the world over because of the energies active on our planet.  Throughout this year, and especially during Saturn’s retrograde, people will value and question the spiritual role of our Earthly lives more than ever before.  The circumstances will demand it.  As Earth’s transition continues we will all notice that some people will rise and others will fall.  As people contemplate in secret or amongst themselves, majorities will conclude that the determining factor is one’s spiritual quality.  Heaven is descending into the Earth, every day, with nature’s pace, and every day our world is changing into an ascended planet.  Some call it a shift, others a transition, I call it a supernatural rebirth.  I do so because we will see things happen which will defy our former sense of natural, within our lives and within the world.  Our future will require us to redefine our concept of what is natural as we observe and accept undeniably Divine forces at work on the Earth and in our lives.  We are moving into a time where the impossible happens.
    The Rock
    The first eclipse of 2013 will occur at the approximate midpoint of Saturn’s retrograde.  It will be a solar eclipse that will happen on May 9th in the House of Taurus.  It will serve as a tide-turning event and a cosmic trigger for rapid material growth to enter our lives, contrasting the austerity that Saturn’s influence effects.  This means that beyond the 9th of May those aligned with God and His will for our Earth will enjoy and receive material abundance that will allow for the building of stronger life foundations, forms of healing, and nourishment for desired things and tastes.  The purpose is dual, however, as this eclipse also foretells of the coming impoverishing of the spiritually destitute.  This will be a time where great transferences of material wealth will race throughout our world so look to the month of May for the Earth element to find you in abundance and for the results to be rock solid.  Keep in mind that Saturn remains in Scorpio until December of 2014, so be wise with what comes.
    Karmic History
    Within the cosmic order there are natural periods where the mysteries of our karmic past are permitted to resurface into our consciousness.  These natural periods coincide with planetary retrogrades so we can all expect that at certain times we will become reacquainted with the more profound elements of our soul’s journey.  In specific I am referring to the recall of memories from our most important past-lives, the assimilation of long-lost wisdom from these past-lives, great assumptions, acceptances, and healings based upon the happenings of our past-lives, and in this present life, unrelenting dredging of all things which have been left unreckoned.  The profound past will come to the fore that all manners of extraordinary good may come from it.  Nothing is forgotten and history repeats in evolved circumstances.  Life changing disclosures will be intimate to this retrograde, so expect them and welcome them as the catalyzing forces that they will be.
    Charting Saturn
    We live in times where we needn’t live blindly to the happenings in the cosmos.  I will always be a passionate advocate that every human being needs to have the horoscope of their birth that they may always see with their own eyes how life on Earth unfolds as it is in Heaven.  With your horoscope in hand you can see clearly where Saturn’s transit is effecting your life and with this knowledge you can adapt yourself in accordance and succeed where you might otherwise fail.  In the scripture we were taught that “the Heavens declare the glory of God” and that He created them “for signs and for seasons.”  My wish is that every human being learns to use astrology as I believe it was always intended: as a profound tool of enlightenment that leads one into liberty, destiny, and a divine future.
    Divine Science
    Astrology will rise with time, as will our collective consciousness.  It is something that has been long feared by our adversaries.  They have tried to depict astrology as either evil or trivial while they hoarded it for themselves, but the truth is that astrology is sacred and my proof is sealed in this work.  I ask that if you have read this work entirely you observe as these themes and events come to be and that you think for yourselves, as you look upon the night sky, if you sense anything remotely evil bearing down on us from the celestial sphere.  Some confuse the use of astrology with the worship of stars, something which is a grotesque distortion.  Astrology was created for us to use to ascend in God’s universal kingdom.  It is the order of life and it secures our world from chaos.  Nature’s pace is cosmic – it follows the course of our luminaries.  To me it is the most beautiful system that one can perceive and with passion and diligence I will explain this science to the best of my ability.
    I Bid You Adieu
    As Jupiter treks through Gemini true, blessings will come by one and by two.  A transit to treasure, for grace and good measure, in Egypt they measured the heart to the feather.  Great secrets are coming to us in good timing, I’ll sneek two within these words while I’m rhyming.  The wise will set sail on water for time, to mirror the transits set so sublime.  Amethyst keeps my promise to you, wear it and water will flow into you.  The next we’ll call dos as it’s second to this, look to the sun and have golden iris.  With light in the mind, it’s not hard to miss, a life filled with joy and perpetual bliss.  The prophets of old shine in these times, they knew things before them, just look and you’ll find.  The sun blinks in Taurus in May of this year, a time of abundance, for laughs and for cheer.  This year is blessed from the throne set high, to those rebels I wonder: why even try?  The course has been set, there is no escaping, Saturn will see that our world keeps reshaping.  No man can bend the rings of this titan, unless you’ve found favor, then aim on for Triton.  With no need to frighten, techniques have been given, its true we must learn to live in His rhythm.
    Sol Invictus,

    • That’s good! On my side, I’m the only who is awaken while all of my friends and family are still not. Although, only one of my friends is awaken but for some reason, he doesn’t buy any precious metals. 🙁

  7. There are different types of collapse. The 2008 financial collapse was deflationary but at that time, there weren’t any QEs. After 2008, there were multiple QEs which causes inflation so I think this time, it should be inflationary.

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