The running joke at the local gun club, according to South St. Paul Police Chief Bill Messerich, is “anybody got any .223?”
That’s .223-caliber ammunition — the type used in controversial semiautomatic rifles like AR-15s that have been flying off shelves. The ammunition is such a hot seller that even some police departments are having trouble getting it.
“I have very, very few practice rounds of .223 left,” Messerich said. “I couldn’t do a shoot right now if I wanted to.”
Firearm and ammunition sales continue at a torrid pace amid talk of a possible gun control crackdown in the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14. The demand has left several local law enforcement agencies struggling to replenish their stocks.
Duty ammunition, which isn’t fired often, is plentiful. But police departments also go through thousands of practice rounds a year for training and qualification.
Trying to find any ammo or any quality is very difficult, equally so for LEO or civilians. I’ve spent the last two weeks sourcing ammo of any type for my BOB and was able to get a order of 7.62×39 from Sportsmansguide.com filled for 2,400 rounds.
I also got a 11,000 mixed round order of 38, 9mm and 45 from a reloader. This is worth noting only because the buy prices were averaged 25 cents a round. Once I took possession of this ammo in my hands, the value tripled due to shortages. Sale prices of any common round is $1.00 a pop. Shortages on line have 3-9 month waiting lists. My reloader is reluctant to sell more than 15,000 rounds a month since he fears running out of primers, bullets and casings. My buy was one good gun show for him so I consider myself incredibly lucky to have secure this large order.
The old price tranfers to my BOB since I am not in the ammo business. This is Nevada so buying like this is legal in the state. These purchases were really startling to me because of the vast difference in original sale price and the final value in the hands of the consumer. Buying at this level was a bit disconcerting since the baleful gaze of Big Brother was on my mind too.
Some people discount the importance of a well armed citizenry but access to ammo is the key linch pin to this most important of the Amendments. Access to reasonably priced ammo is the same as access to reasonably price silver. If you view the recent 23 executive orders against firearms and all the hue and cry about guns you see the reflexive automatic jump in price of this one particular precious metal, lead, due to these attempted restrictions. Imagine what would happen if the same president issued an executive order restricting, registering or confiscating silver and gold. What would happen to those prices. Would they double? Triple? Who knows. Any time the gummint attempts to control something, two things happen. The supply dries up and the price explodes. Ammo, magazines and firearms are a bellwether to this supply/demand scenario. And the extraordinarily vital importance of free and unfettered access to privately owned firearms and ammunition is tied to precious metals as closely as water and air are to life.
Here is a tin foil hat conclusion. In Mid 2012 half a dozen 3 letter federal agencies bought 1.5 billion rounds of pistol and rifle ammo including the ubiquitous 223/5.56 rounds. Social SecurityAdmin bought 147,000 rounds, enough for over 4,000 rounds per SS office. These rounds are particularly lethal JHP, banned by the Geneva Convention and yet being bought by our internal control agencies like TSA and DHS. It is my opinion that these agencies bought early knowing there would be a shortage of ammo; a shortage that would be prompted by the false flag events of Aurora and Newtown.
The courageous actions of local sheriffs in stating absolutely that they would resist any attempts to stop federalized forces, FEMA youth, foreign troops or others to come to a state to enforce these unconstitutional weapons bans, will not last more than week if these resolute members of LEO are OUT OF AMMO.
That LEO ammo shortage is no accident. Nothing that happens in politics is accidental and this is all political. Socialist and Marxists are good at one thing. Rationing. And this is rationing of a vital resource.
My opinion that if anyone has a good stock of ammo, they conserve those rounds, practicing with snap caps or very limited live fire. Doing run and gun drills with unloaded firearms can be as helpful as life fire too. I’ve done that and it creates muscle memory without the cost of expended ammo.
The cops that I know are good people and I am volunteer part of the local sheriff LEO. I will ask the deputy sheriff in my Rotary club if he is seeing ammo shortages and report back. Thank you for starting this thread and allowing me to make my opinion known. Best to all my 2nd Amendment friends.
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