Today the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that if you purchase a firearm and transfer it to another “approved” buyer, you are a “straw purchaser” and may go to prison.
The buyer of the gun purchased a gun legally and transferred it to his uncle who was also an approved buyer.
The uncle took possession of the gun after passing a background check.
Abramski (a former police officer) was charged with a “straw purchase.”


From The News Doctors:

Today the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that if you purchase a firearm and transfer it to another “approved” buyer, you are a “straw purchaser” and may go to prison.

The ruling is in the case US vs Abramski, a case to which Oregon Firearms contributed to an Amicus brief.

The buyer of the gun purchased a gun legally and transferred it to his uncle who was also an approved buyer. The uncle took possession of the gun after passing a background check.  Abramski (a former police officer) was charged with a “straw purchase.”

“The Obama administration had argued that accepting Abramski’s defense would impair the ability of law enforcement officials to trace firearms involved in crimes and keep weapons away from people who are not eligible to buy them.” 

Clearly this transfer had nothing to do with crimes or people who are ineligible to receive firearms.
This ruling will vastly complicate any future transfers of legitimately owned guns.

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  1. The question I have about this ruling is there a time interval between you buying a firearm and reselling it privately? I mean if I buy a weapon and sell it years in the future, Am I still a straw purchaser? If there is no time frame specified, then all future private sales are now illegal.

    • Thought so. I went and read the Courts ruling in it’s entirety. No mention of a time frame at all. Most troubling to me was the foot note by Keagen on page 9
       
      Contrary to the dissent’s view, our analysis does not rest on mere“purpose-based arguments.”
      Post . at 7. We simply recognize that a court should not interpret each word in a statute with blinders on,
      refusing to look at the word’s function within the broader statutory context.
       
      Should we just chisel away the blindfold on the lady holding the scales of justice? Maybe we should just chisel an eye in a pyramid in it’s place.
       
       

    • Yup.
       
      But where the real mess will ensue is around Christmas time. It will now be “illegal” (not unlawful) for a decent American father to purchase that first gun for his son coming of age! This has come before the ATF before and they have ruled fairly on this, making allowances on individual cases…and only IF they arose beyond their scope of operations. How this became a Supreme CORPORATION issue is beyond me.
       
      Solution = MOLON LABE!

    • Take up a collection.  I am sure that PLENTY of ammo would suddenly become available.  ;-)

      But… I have a different plan. I will make up a 50-50 mixture of Preparation H and DMSO. When that is sprayed on them, it will penetrate these a**holes and cause them to shrink to utter insignificance! lol

  2. KenS  I think you hit the nail on the head.
    With this ruling, any transfer appears to be subject to this open-ended ruling.   Anyone who sells, trades, gifts or transfers a weapon to another person would be unwise to advertise it.  Any transfer that involved a Brady check or some way by which the gummint would have knowledge of this means the buyer and seller have destroyed OPSEC.  
    All my guns were lost in a boating accident.  The person who retrieves them might want to make sure they don’t disclose this finding to anyone.
    Of course you could move to Nevada.  The governor, Mr Brady and Obama are not part of our conversations.
    KWIM

    • @Hey AGXIIK:
      How about if I sell (just a few HUNDRED handguns, rifles, etc) to a KNOWN CRIMINAL ELEMENT which then uses them to kill U.S. citizens in the performance of their duties as federal enforcement employees, is that allright?  I think it may just be okay, because those being killed are  WHITE!!!!!

    • (scratching head)….I dunno Silverrrr….to be on the safe side, I would stay under the 100 gun count and sell maybe 99 or at the very least 98 guns.  Yeah, I would go with that plan. But to help out, I’ll go and see if the IRS has a memo or file on it on their hard driv……oh yeah, sorry…..never mind.

    • @ underground,god i can’t believe you threw that up.when all the state coins started coming out i collected them.i had 4 half gallon glass milk jugs i’d fill,had a crap load of those.but that was before i jumped into the internet.funny when i cashed in the jugs,they usually amounted to about 270- 280 dollars.wow never thought about that for an avatar,and i just may do that, thanks for the idea. i was gonna use a picture that i had published back in 1999 that i put to a t-shirt and used to sell out of drum publications,was a cave man playing bones and hides and other animals,but this one is cool and right for the period.chris

    • Your cave man sounds pretty cool though, ths one just hit me. I see so many folks that just never get a ‘tar… 
       
      Glad to have you here @SD!

    • Welcome aboard Mr. Drum Sticks! 
       
      However, I’m usually in the Principals office awaiting punishment but I still like to come in and post when I can.

    • @TheRedPill
       
      “…However, I’m usually in the Principals office awaiting punishment”
      TRP, Don’t you know you can’t take those pills to school???   That’s somebody else’s turf and, surely by now, you gotta realize they don’t like no competition!!!

  3. what about the illegal cache of weapons left behind in Iraq so the CIA trained isis maniacs had access to and simply took them to create more war .. Hypocrisy at the highest levels … there is an agenda .. your freedoms are being evaporated and tyranny is the menu du jour …

  4.                                                           A MODEST MANIFESTO
     
    WE, the gun owning people of this country, are the real Horatius, Captain of the Gate.
    We will be called, be ready to defend the ramparts, our homes, and counties from the Barbarians
    We are 150,000,000 strong
    We own 300,000,000 firearms
    We possess 1,000,000 rounds of ammunition for every thug and goon sent against us
    We will fight in the cool shadows of the bullets that stream towards our enemies
    There are 100,000 of us for every one who fights against us
    We have the odds and will to prevail against those who oppose us
    The police live just down the street and across the boulevard-a tactically bad position for them
    The soldiers, whether domestic, UN or Russian, will die by the thousands if they attack us;  the stalwarts and Oathkeepers
    We will execute the politicians with  our firing squads until the barrels of our guns smoke and glow red in the dawn
    We will terminate the banksters;  hung, drawn and quartered; their bodies left for the pigs to eat
    We will neither ask for quarter nor give any
    We will prevail against the impudence and arrogance of those who would take our firearms
    There are millions of us ready to hit the streets, roof tops and tree stands
    DHS soldiers, mercenaries and Hessians will attack at the end of long supply lines, a tactically bad position
    We will stack their bodies in the sun until they rot
    Assymetrical warfare will be our weapon to bring an end to their attacks
    We will carry this fight to every area of land polluted by the foulness of those who would make us slaves
    Slaves are gunless;   warriors and freemen are well armed.
    We will allow some to live only long enough to dig the graves of those we slew 
    We will then slay the grave diggers,  throwing dirt on their bodies
    We will take back the Republic, showing no mercy to those who would enslave us 
    Those who consort with the enemy will receive no special treatment.
     

    • This lib-tard scotus ruling will spawm new cottage industries by the millions. They just rejuvenated the economy IMMENSELY! I see so many new gun centered businesses springing up, such as:
      1. Bullet makers
      2. Bullet plating
      3. 80% lower builders
      4. DIY Machine Shops to finish 80% lowers  ;) (suck it KLUMMAC and SCOTUS)
      5. Barrel Makers 
      …and many more! 
       
      I agree with your manifesto, AG! Of course, we will not be fighting AMERICANS, just traitors and their mercenaries. 
      I saw an elite unit that works for the F’eds at my #1 LGS, and I quizzed them on which side they were ready to assist… they had the correct answer. I suspect that there will be defections from KLUMMAC’s side by the scores, and hopefully they will have opportunity to bring with them much hardware and accessories. I know you feel the exact same way. 
       
      My statement to the Federal Employees is this: 
      Do you stand for what is right (We the People) or for the evil that would erase our freedom and face from this earth? 
      Pretty Simple. Join the Stackers and Patriots now, or join us later, but be sure to be ready at a moment’s notice…

    • @ag,  that should be printed out by the thousands and put under so many windshield wipers. better than a menu from local your chop suey joint.maybe i should and stick them under the wipers of chicago cop cars. wonder how that would go over,i can only imagine.but it sure would make someone think.

    • “wonder how that would go over,i can only imagine.but it sure would make someone think.”
       
      Let me suggest how that would go over.  It would be perceived as a threat where no threat to free men or women is intended.  Language of that type only threatens their slave-holding masters.  But, there are those who have taken oaths to support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.  They have sworn no allegiance to any politician or individual and they owe none to any of them.  If they understand honor, integrity, duty, and commitment, they will serve the people of this great nation to the best of their abilities.  Those who do will be our protectors and our friends.  They will be citizens of the highest order.  Many of them will become leaders in their communities, counties, states, and nation.  Those who do not will already have lost that which is most precious to us all, for they have become slave-drones of the lowest order and not fit company for free men and women, let alone a free nation.
       

    • “this ruling is obviously unconstitutional.”
       
      It would seem that way to most of us, yet the USSC IS the defining voice of the US Constitution.  It says whatever they say it says and there is no remedy for that save the other two co-equal branches of a free and honest government dedicated to the founding principles.  Unfortunately, we do not have that at this time and a great deal of pain and effort may be required to re-establish it.
       

    • Actually, they are ruling on things far removed from the constitution proper. 
      They are simply reinforcing a prior infringement, which will eventually lead to a nullification of the 2A itself, due to the impossible navigation of the codifications surrounding it! That is exactly what the scribes, Pharisees and Sanhedrin did to the Law of Moses back in Bible days. When Jesus came back, he righted the wrongs that they had committed against God and his people. Thus history repeats itself again… :D 
       
       

    • Ed_B … “yet the USSC IS the defining voice of the US Constitution”
       
      The government’s courts define the constitutions … for government’s officers, agents and ‘persons’ of their creation, Ed. The People, however, define the constitutions for government’s courts … in their courts.

      “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who would pervert the Constitution.” –Abraham Lincoln

      The Barristocracy has fooled folks into ’tilting at windmills’, by conditioning us to litigate as mere shells, against the shells of ‘officers’ all existing only on paper, rather than as people acting upon the living men and women causing injury to the property we hold in our natural rights and possessions. At first the difference seems superficial, but it’s highly crucial in Law.

      “There have been no common law crimes enforceable by the state for persons in California since the enactment of the Penal Code, which took effect on January 1, 1873.” [People v. Whipple (1929) 100 CA 261]

    • What, did you accidentally “delete” your guns and ammo?  Did your guns and ammo server crash?  Maybe it was that nasty boating accident?  ;-)

  5. For some reason, I keep losing firearms. Don’t know where they were lost….they are just missing.
    Won’t be long that failure to turn up a registered firearm, when requested to do so, will be a felony.
     
    It’s coming…..
     
    ………….but so is the “Big Reset”.
     

    • There may very well come a time when existing is a felony.  Long before that happens, though, there will be serious consequences for those who insist on trashing the US Constitution by those who hold it in the highest regard.  One could do FAR worse with this life than entering Heaven with the statement, “I died standing for liberty”.  What will those who killed us in the name of tyranny have to say?
       

    • @Ed_B I imagine many “terrorist” are dying, planning on spouting the same response to the “King of Kings”.  And certainly those with twisted imaginations like Bloomberg who view his crusade against guns, could well believe that he is doing God’s will by removing guns, as much death instruments as possible.  But even if that was his true intention, and it had the opposite effect, does his infringement for a supposed “godly” cause give him a pass?  What if it leads to millions of deaths?  When both sides perceive themselves as fighting for God/Good, who is right and who is wrong?  Is there a right and wrong?  Is “whats in your heart” all that matters, and we simply all die and are forgiven later, due to our pure feelings on the matter?
      …. Or are we upheld for the damage and suffering we cause others, regardless of our perception of right and wrong?  What if all that matters is that you drew your sword?  If Christ were here, he’d presumably say, flee, or suffer it.  So do we simply vacate and leave the dirty work up to those that do not fear God, but exert their wrath on those oppressors?  Hmm… I don’t know… Didn’t work out for the Jews…. Didn’t work out at all. (except for those that fled)

    • @Shamus001
       
      ” I imagine many “terrorist” are dying, planning on spouting the same response to the “King of Kings”.  And certainly those with twisted imaginations like Bloomberg who view his crusade against guns, could well believe that he is doing God’s will by removing guns, as much death instruments as possible.  But even if that was his true intention, and it had the opposite effect, does his infringement for a supposed “godly” cause give him a pass?  What if it leads to millions of deaths?  When both sides perceive themselves as fighting for God/Good, who is right and who is wrong?  Is there a right and wrong?  Is “whats in your heart” all that matters, and we simply all die and are forgiven later, due to our pure feelings on the matter?”
       
      All of that is above my pay grade.  God WILL decide what is right and wrong and His judgement will be perfect.  Since ours cannot be perfect, it is best to reserve it unto ourselves.  Doing harm in the name of doing good is not acceptable to people and very likely is not acceptable to God either.
       
      “Or are we upheld for the damage and suffering we cause others, regardless of our perception of right and wrong?”
       
      Yes, we are.  So, maybe the question is, “Are we prepared to suffer the consequences for our actions and perhaps for our inactions as well?”.  It is not the perception of right or wrong that matters here but the actual fact of right and wrong.  Admittedly, there could be situations wherein there is no right or wrong or there is a mixture of right and wrong.  Many of these situations could be exceptionally complex.  But where right and wrong do exist, we are offered the choice between them.  Choose wisely.
       
      “So do we simply vacate and leave the dirty work up to those that do not fear God, but exert their wrath on those oppressors?  Hmm… I don’t know…”
       
      Maybe none of us knows until we reach that critical decision point?
       
      As to “fearing God”, sorry but I never learned how.  I was too busy learning to love God and trust Him.  I cannot fear someone I both love and trust.
       
      In the end, we are all dead, so whether or not we die for this or that reason may be of importance mostly to us.  There are many religious texts in the world and they often have comments on what is good in the world.  When they reach basic agreement across time and cultures, we have what is possibly a universal truth.  Holding to these thruths is a good way to run one’s life, IMO.  I do the best that I can at this and that should count for something.  If it does not, then so be it.
       

  6. How did the government know this transfer took place?
    Is the state of Oregon requiring registration?
    What about a persons will, do they bury your weapons with you?
     
    I`M REALLY GLAD I LIVE WHERE I DO. FLYOVER COUNTRY, NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THIS PLACE BUT US.

    WE HAVE NO OIL, NO IRON, AND VERY FEW PROBLEMS. WE DO HAVE CATTLE, AND FOOD. AND A POPULATION THAT WILL NEVER GIVE UP THIER WEAPONS

  7. This is illustration of what results when we act and speak for fictional statutory persons, over strict existence as a man or woman.

    As people, we’re of right to contract under common law in our private jurisdiction to avoid these impositions. As government created persons, on the other hand, these persons contract under government’s jurisdiction and therefore by its direction.

    “The only reason, I believe, that a free man is bound by human law, is, that he binds himself.” –Chisholm v, Georgia, 2, Dall 440, 455. (1794)

    • Damn @PatFields you have GOT to RUN FOR OFFICE!  Your like my local liberty scholar/source …. and it seems you have it all at the tip of your fingers!  I pray your part of some constitutional group that speaks out and not hiding all of your wonderful talents in your basement where few can benefit from your wisdom!

    • Shamus001 … “you have GOT to RUN FOR OFFICE”
       
      You’re not the first to encourage that notion in me, but during my youth I knew I was too tempted by life’s frivolities and now in my shadow years, frailty has set in. It seems God never intended such things for me.

      That you and others ‘take up these banners of our Fathers’ that I wave overhead, is satisfactory comfort. No ‘esteem of office’ can ever surpass knowing that folks like yourself are listening and learning. For direction and order, there must be standard bearers and I’m proud enough to humbly keep the staff upright.

  8. So allow me to posit this question:
     
    Why is it so called “legal” then for a defacto township allowed to purchase a firearm and give it to a hired “police officer” who will use it to forcibly extract untold thousands of dollars from the townspeople by brute force, using said firearm and an ink pen?
     
    Why is it so called “legal” for the Puppet Masters to purchase millions of small arms and give it to young soldiers to go overseas and bring….(cough)….um, “democracy” to other innocent countries…by the barrel of that gun?
     
    (Eric Peters for Prezident!)

    • Around here, it is apparent that the officer in question either purchases his own weapon or at most, gets a weapon “allowance”. LEOs get special pricing at my #1 and #2 LGS for sure, and they must show their ID to obtain this price. So they are buying it in person, presumably with their own money, and own background information. This is likely a widespread practice these days…

    • undeRGRound

      I can’t think of a better example than this case raised here, which better illustrates the social value of community Militia Units to maintain just Self-Governance. The members and Commander of the Militia, who would have private, first-hand knowledge of men and women seeking arms, would be better judges of overall character and mental status than any bureaucratic clerk a hundred or a thousand miles away.

      The Militias are the sole expedient defined as ‘necessary’ for free States to exist. So, their robust re-institution ought to be among our very highest aspirations.

      If the officer in this … specific class of instance … used his special discount privilege to pass on to a relative, then he’s acted improperly, but that example can’t be used to falsely justify application on other cases where two genuine peers make similar exchange absent any such price advantage derived from office.

      I say this case can not stand as precedent for general prohibition of similar exchanges, because of its special circumstances … even in Civil Law between statutory persons.

      “What is like is not the same, for nothing similar is the same.” 4 Co. 18

    • @TheRedPill
      “…Why is it so called “legal” then for a defacto township allowed to purchase a firearm and give it to a hired “police officer” who will use it to forcibly extract untold thousands of dollars from the townspeople by brute force, using said firearm and an ink pen?
       
      Why is it so called “legal” for the Puppet Masters to purchase millions of small arms and give it to young soldiers to go overseas and bring….(cough)….um, “democracy” to other innocent countries…by the barrel of that gun?”
      Perhaps the marketplace might have a solution to this:
       
      Volume of Gun Manufacturers, Retailers Refusing to Sell to Police Virtually Exploding

      http://downtrend.com/jaye-ryan/volume-of-gun-manufacturers-retailers-refusing-to-sell-to-police-virtually-exploding/

      Was thrilled to hear my friends at Barrett are in on this…  :)
       
       

  9. The Red Pill   There is a rule you may have heard of
    ‘Dem’s dat’s got da gold makes da rules’
    Our gold—-their rules
    Sucks, doesn’t it
    When we muster the courage to stop this crap, then we will see militias consisting of the common man, not some up armored goon squad crashing our doors, issuing tickets for nothing at all or glowering at us like we did something wrong.

    As for young men and women going to war.
     That is a delusional paradigm that must stop.
     These young men and women could live much different lives if not compelled by jingoistic hoopla to go fight some insane war conceived and implemented by sick, evil, ugly psychopaths sitting in comfortable offices, getting their jollies playing ‘soldier’ with real live human beings.
    How do we stop this?
    Revolution
    Extirpation of the evilness
    Restoration of a Republic
    Retention of our gold and anything else that funds the Beast, starving it in its lair.
    Restoration of common laws for the common man; laws founding organically within the inherent right we all possess as humans; real and organic men and women, not some corporate construction built by others for their use and benefit as slaves were owed by a corporation or plantation
    But I digress

    • @AGXIIK
       
      “…or glowering at us like we did something wrong.”
       
      I have noticed a distinct LACK of such glowering during the “open carry” demonstrations.  ;-)
       

    • Ed_B … “I have noticed a distinct LACK of such glowering during the “open carry” demonstrations”
       
      I keep saying that some enterprising fellow or gal with means, could enjoy a very successful venture of producing precision plastic replicas of various pistols and holsters to make the appearance of ‘open carry’ so endemic and commonplace that false fears would evaporate from the general populace like farts in a stiff wind.

      I guess I haven’t been repetitive enough … nothing of the like is being advertised or marketed yet, so I’ll just keep ‘sowing seeds’.

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