For our readers with substantial assets in their 401k accounts and fearful that their assets will either be rehypothecated (stolen) or forced into Treasury bonds by the government, and yet are unable to withdraw their funds due to retirement, hardship withdrawal, or quitting their place of employment there is one remaining option: petition your employer to allow in-service withdrawals.
We have included a withdrawal petition template for anyone who wants to petition their employer to let them out of their 401k. The petition focuses on recent thefts of segregated client funds in the cases of MFGlobal, PFG Best, and Sentinel, and makes the case to your plan administrator that your assets are not safe in your 401k.
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We also recommend sending using Certified Mail.
To: [PLAN SPONSOR]
[PLAN SPONSOR ADDRESS]Dear Plan Sponsor,I’m writing to petition that the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] be amended to allow in-service withdrawals. As the plan stands now, the only way for actively employed participants to retrieve money is through a 401K loan or a Hardship Withdrawal. Neither of these two options allow participants full access to their assets. While I understand the purpose of the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] is to encourage savings for retirement, I fear that my assets are not entirely safe from fraud and theft and will not be available to me at retirement.
Numerous recent examples indicate the financial markets are rife with fraud, often at the peril of the individual investor. From what I gather of recent events I do not feel that my money is safe and currently have no recourse to move my assets from the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] to other investment vehicles.
Examples of recent fraud and theft in the financial industry:
MF Global
MF Global was a global commodities brokerage that declared bankruptcy in October of 2011. It was discovered that approximately $1.6 Billion in customer segregated funds were stolen and used to meet capital requirements in the weeks leading up to bankruptcy. To date, no one stands to face criminal charges.
Peregrine Financial Group (PFGBest)
In July of 2012 it was discovered that PFGBest stole approximately $220 million of customer funds. While claiming to have over $200 million in bank accounts, it turned out that PFGBest held only close to $5 million. The fraud appears to have spanned multiple decades despite being regularly audited. The PFGBest government-backed auditors were not independently verifying the bank account balances and were instead using forged documentation provided not by the bank, but by the firm itself.
Sentinel Management Group (SMG)
In August of 2007, Sentinel Management filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Investigators found that Sentinel leveraged over $500 million in customer funds as collateral for a loan from Bank of NY Mellon. This loan was used to fund in-house speculative trading. The National Futures Association (NFA) was the auditor of Sentinel, and has admitted to signing off on audits despite not fully understanding the books or the accounting method used. The NFA admits that it didn’t audit SMG properly.
However, what is most frightening is the recent ruling in the Sentinel Management Group case by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. The court ruled that the Bank of NY Mellon be placed first in line ahead of customers seeking return of their money.
“That Sentinel failed to keep client funds properly segregated is not, on its own, sufficient to rule as a matter of law that Sentinel acted ‘with actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud’ its customers.”
U.S. Circuit Judge John D. TinderThis ruling shows that not only does the Bank of NY Mellon move to the front of the line, but that using customer segregated funds as collateral is no longer considered a crime, and that co-mingling customer segregated funds with proprietary funds is no longer considered fraud. This ruling implies that customer assets held at a bank or trust are the legal property of any counterparty to loans the depository institution takes.
LIBOR Rate Manipulation
Late last month, Barclay’s Bank admitted that it tried to manipulate the LIBOR during the financial crisis in 2008. This rate is used as a reference for a range of financial products like car loans, adjustable-rate mortgages, student loans and credit cards. During the Barclay’s Bank inquiry it was discovered that many other banks may have also been manipulating LIBOR rates. This means that hundreds of millions of consumers, investors and businesses have been paying a manipulated interest rate.
Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (Nationalizing 401K Assets)
In 2010 the Employee Benefits Security Administration solicited feedback from plan administrators and other fiduciaries on the idea of whether or not they “could or should enhance, by regulation or otherwise, the retirement security of participants in employer-sponsored retirement plans and in individual retirement arrangements (IRAs) by facilitating access to, and use of, lifetime income or other arrangements designed to provide a lifetime stream of income after retirement.” This idea has also been called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” and been proposed by Vice President Biden and others in the current administration, with preliminary Senate hearings having been held on this plan in 2010. The core of the proposal is to force IRA and 401K plans to offer an annuity of sorts so participants are guaranteed a return on their assets in perpetuity. The preferred investment asset would likely be United States Treasury notes. As America stares down almost $16 Trillion of debt, conservatively projected to increase to $20 Trillion in 2016, forcing 401K and IRA assets into Treasury notes would be a tempting solution to shore up our nation’s dire financial situation.
Source:
http://webapps.dol.gov/FederalRegister/HtmlDisplay.aspx?DocId=23512&AgencyId=8&DocumentType=1
As you can see, despite stringent controls that were placed on the financial industry following the collapse of Enron (Sarbanes-Oxley) and the 2008 financial crisis (Dodd-Frank), rampant fraud not only still occurs, but has increased exponentially, and the regulators charged with protecting the investor are either complicit or negligent. When there is a collapse the individual investor cannot find justice through the courts.
I do not feel that my 401K assets are safe at this point and strongly believe that in the event of a collapse of the trustee [NAME OF THE TRUST WHERE ASSETS ARE HELD] I will have no recourse to recoup my investment. At this point I do not have the ability to withdraw any of my assets held by the plan. Therefore I petition you to consider adding an in-service withdrawal option to the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] that would enable participants like me to withdraw our assets entirely.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
[NAME]
[ADDRESS]
[EMAIL]
[PHONE]
Thanks to Ann Barnhardt for providing the above template for SD readers.


Excellent! I’ll be sending this out Monday morning. Thanks, doc!
Say, if they say no what if you take a lone out for 50K from your 401K and pay yourself back at interest. Even the interest is your money. Then, if the dollar goes belly up, you’ll have all the inflated dollars you’ll ever need to pay yourself back.
Anyone’s thoughts on this idea?
I responded to a similar question about a week ago. To make a loan from your 401K requires that you involve Human Resources at your company and it’s almost guaranteed that some upper level manager will know what you did. This can put a target on your back as companies do not like employees getting loans from ‘THEIR’ 401K’s. Remember your company did a match!
Usually you can only withdraw up to 50% of the funds in the 401K.
Regarding payback of the loan. The bi-weekly or monthly payback is taken out at Human Resources before they issue payment to your bank. It’s just like you owed a judgement like child support and the money is taken out before it even hits your bank account. Once again, this is not a normal loan!
The maximum you can take out a loan is usually 5 years and must start repaying immediately.
If you quit your job, laid off or fired there could be some other nasty surprises such as having to immediately pay back the entire loan.
A word of advice, do not ever roll over your 401K to new employer but best to keep it outside of current companies portfolio if you plan to close it out or borrow.
The biggest problem with taking a loan from your 401k is that you pay the loan back with AFTER tax money. Then, when you withdraw the money in retirement, it WILL be taxed again and at full income tax rates. Same money, double taxes. Not a good deal.
I am curious about this “in-service withdrawal” option. The IRS has done just about everything they can to make accessing our 401k plan money as difficult and as expensive for us as is possible. I looked up some info on these withdrawals and it seems that it is legal but the IRS does not require any employer to offer this option. It is allowed but not mandated. This could work for workers over age 59.5 but a partial withdrawal could still be done by younger folks. Additional info here:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0225/046.html
ty PowerBall for this info and reposting…
When you decide to leave your company – it is best to roll your 401k into an IRA. This allows you to escape the 20% holding when you take possesion of your funds.
Yes, a direct roll-over from a 401k to an IRA will avoid the usual withholding on the money. The IRS will not recognize that they have the money, so if withholding occurs and then the money is rolled into an IRA later, the IRS will ask “Where’s the rest of the money?” and they will consider the withholding as a taxable withdrawal. This can all be sorted out when you pay your taxes but it can be a real PITA for about a year.
Also, you can receive a check from your 401k plan custodian and roll that into an IRA as long as the check is not made out to you personally. Typically, it should be made out to: XYZ Financial Custodians, FBO John Q. Public. Here, FBO means “For Benefit Of”. You cannot cash such a check but you can deposit it with your IRA custodian. Other than this, a direct roll-over will work IF your 401k plan custodian will do it. When I retired, they would not do this and would only send a check to my address of record. Fortunately, they did make out the check as I had requested, so depositing it with my new IRA custodian was no problem.
I have a 403b which is similar to the 401k. I have run into the same problem of what I can do with the money. There are many strings attached. The same rules such as 5 year payback and immediate payment apply. There are restrictions on some of the funds which limits the amount you can withdraw. So I cannot even withdraw 50%.
My question is, does this petition also apply to 403b accounts?
Thanks
As much as any other, this is actually just a well written factual request to get out of any doomed retirement assets similar to a 401K.
I’m going to print this out and submit it.
THIS is what I was looking for!
401(A), but it applies!
I just requested a partial payout of my Roth IRA to use to buy more physical. I think I will not have to pay the 10% penalty since I am taking out only part of the initial amount. Even if I do it will be a small price to pay for liquidating the fiat for physical silver.
You can withdraw your contributions from a Roth IRA at any time and without taxes or penalties. Where things get sticky is when you request some or all of the earnings in the account. That is when the jumping through hoops begins because this is untaxed money, unlike your contributions, which are fully taxed before going into the Roth.
Thank goodness that I keep 99% of my wealth on my own hand and I’ve learned about the reasons why I should not put my wealth at a bank or other companies. Anyway, thanks for the withdrawal petition so that I can use it one day if I need to or for someone else!
Very useful template. Hoping it works.
I don’t see many companies agreeing to this, I tried and failed to get a hardship withdrawal to pay medical bills when I tore both rotator cuffs.